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Agassifan 11-11-2012 12:46 PM

Olderer vs Big 4 this year
 
Rafa: 1-1
Nole: 2-2
Murray: 3-2

Not bad I'd say

Russeljones 11-11-2012 12:49 PM

He's just about hanging on. Only 2 of the wins are important though.

Agassifan 11-11-2012 12:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Russeljones (Post 7008733)
He's just about hanging on. Only 2 of the wins are important though.

I'd say 3 of those are important. On the same token, only 3 of the losses are important... I am talking about Olderer here. Not Federer.

DragonBlaze 11-11-2012 12:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Russeljones (Post 7008733)
He's just about hanging on. Only 2 of the wins are important though.

But then you could say only 2 of the losses are important (or 3 I guess if you want to include Olympics).

tennis_pro 11-11-2012 01:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Russeljones (Post 7008733)
He's just about hanging on. Only 2 of the wins are important though.

He's 2-2 in majors against the top 4 this year, what are you talking about? At the same time Nadal had 2 big wins this year, Djokovic had 3 while Murray had 1.

stringertom 11-11-2012 01:02 PM

Like the finest wine, he ages so well! 70+ wins, a major, 3 MS1000's and 16 weeks at #1...all at age 30-31, spotting his main competitors 5 years...he's a classic worth watching over and over again!

tennis_pro 11-11-2012 01:04 PM

Those are brilliant stats, though. Even if he loses tomorrow he's at 50% of matches won against the whole younger generation of top players aged 24-26 while he himself is 31.

I wanna see Murray or Nadal have a 50 % record against the next great 25-year olds when they hit 30+. Well, Nadal won't be playing obviously, but Murray.

smoledman 11-11-2012 01:14 PM

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Originally Posted by tennis_pro (Post 7008803)
Those are brilliant stats, though. Even if he loses tomorrow he's at 50% of matches won against the whole younger generation of top players aged 24-26 while he himself is 31.

I wanna see Murray or Nadal have a 50 % record against the next great 25-year olds when they hit 30+. Well, Nadal won't be playing obviously, but Murray.

Murray at 31 will go 0-10 vs the top 5 players, oh and he won't even be top 5 himself.

Mustard 11-11-2012 01:23 PM

vs. Nadal (1-1)
2012 Australian Open SF: Rafael Nadal def. Roger Federer (6-7, 6-2, 7-6, 6-4)
2012 Indian Wells SF: Roger Federer def. Rafael Nadal (6-3, 6-4)

vs. Djokovic (2-2)
2012 Rome SF: Novak Djokovic def. Roger Federer (6-2, 7-6)
2012 French Open SF: Novak Djokovic def. Roger Federer (6-4, 7-5, 6-3)
2012 Wimbledon SF: Roger Federer def. Novak Djokovic (6-3, 3-6, 6-4, 6-3)
2012 Cincinnati F: Roger Federer def. Novak Djokovic (6-0, 7-6)

vs. Murray (3-2)
2012 Dubai F: Roger Federer def. Andy Murray (7-5, 6-4)
2012 Wimbledon F: Roger Federer def. Andy Murray (4-6, 7-5, 6-3, 6-4)
2012 London Olympics F: Andy Murray def. Roger Federer (6-2, 6-1, 6-4)
2012 Shanghai SF: Andy Murray def. Roger Federer (6-4, 6-4)
2012 World Tour Finals SF: Roger Federer def. Andy Murray (7-6, 6-2)

smoledman 11-11-2012 01:25 PM

2012 Australian Open SF: Rafael Nadal def. Roger Federer (6-7, 6-2, 7-6, 6-4)
2012 Dubai F: Roger Federer def. Andy Murray (7-5, 6-4)
2012 Indian Wells SF: Roger Federer def. Rafael Nadal (6-3, 6-4)
2012 Rome SF: Novak Djokovic def. Roger Federer (6-2, 7-6)
2012 French Open SF: Novak Djokovic def. Roger Federer (6-4, 7-5, 6-3)
2012 Wimbledon SF: Roger Federer def. Novak Djokovic (6-3, 3-6, 6-4, 6-3)
2012 Wimbledon F: Roger Federer def. Andy Murray (4-6, 7-5, 6-3, 6-4)
2012 London Olympics F: Andy Murray def. Roger Federer (6-2, 6-1, 6-4)
2012 Cincinnati F: Roger Federer def. Novak Djokovic (6-0, 7-6)
2012 Shanghai SF: Andy Murray def. Roger Federer (6-4, 6-4)
2012 World Tour Finals SF: Roger Federer def. Andy Murray (7-6, 6-2)

So Fed is 6-5 this year against the other top 4 members. But notably 0-2 on clay.

Cesc Fabregas 11-11-2012 01:30 PM

Primerer you mean.

Towser83 11-11-2012 01:32 PM

Chance to go 3-2 vs Djokovic tomorrow..

forzamilan90 11-11-2012 01:32 PM

This is an impressive record against those guys considering the stage of Federer's career. Hopefully he makes it 3-2 against Novak tomorrow. Before Fed retires I want to see him and Nadal battle on some of the faster hard court surfaces and Wimbledon again, I feel like Fed can avenge some losses.

Steve0904 11-11-2012 01:34 PM

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Originally Posted by smoledman (Post 7008869)
2012 Australian Open SF: Rafael Nadal def. Roger Federer (6-7, 6-2, 7-6, 6-4)
2012 Dubai F: Roger Federer def. Andy Murray (7-5, 6-4)
2012 Indian Wells SF: Roger Federer def. Rafael Nadal (6-3, 6-4)
2012 Rome SF: Novak Djokovic def. Roger Federer (6-2, 7-6)
2012 French Open SF: Novak Djokovic def. Roger Federer (6-4, 7-5, 6-3)
2012 Wimbledon SF: Roger Federer def. Novak Djokovic (6-3, 3-6, 6-4, 6-3)
2012 Wimbledon F: Roger Federer def. Andy Murray (4-6, 7-5, 6-3, 6-4)
2012 London Olympics F: Andy Murray def. Roger Federer (6-2, 6-1, 6-4)
2012 Cincinnati F: Roger Federer def. Novak Djokovic (6-0, 7-6)
2012 Shanghai SF: Andy Murray def. Roger Federer (6-4, 6-4)
2012 World Tour Finals SF: Roger Federer def. Andy Murray (7-6, 6-2)

So Fed is 6-5 this year against the other top 4 members. But notably 0-2 on clay.

Well it's hardly noteworthy he's 0-2 on clay. He's only beat Nadal twice in 14 attempts even in his prime, and you'd have to give him the edge against Murray. So he's 0-2 against Djokovic. Hardly shocking.

NLBwell 11-19-2012 07:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Steve0904 (Post 7008896)
Well it's hardly noteworthy he's 0-2 on clay. He's only beat Nadal twice in 14 attempts even in his prime,

Did anyone else beat Nadal twice on clay? Ever?

He's only lost 6 or so matches on clay in his career since he became a regular on the tour.


(I did look up all his clay losses one time, but don't feel like doing it now)

augustobt 11-19-2012 08:13 AM

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Originally Posted by NLBwell (Post 7024434)
Did anyone else beat Nadal twice on clay? Ever?

He's only lost 6 or so matches on clay in his career since he became a regular on the tour.


(I did look up all his clay losses one time, but don't feel like doing it now)

You mean in a calendar year?
Federer beat Nadal in '09 Madrid and in '07 Hamburg.
Djokovic beat Nadal in '11 Madrid and Rome (and would've beaten if they faced each other in RG).

NLBwell 11-19-2012 06:08 PM

You are right. I think when I looked it up it was before Djokovic also did it.
Can't say one way or another about RG that year, though. It is Nadal's playground. It does say something for Federer, though, that he did manage to beat Djokovic and end the streak.

joeri888 11-19-2012 10:41 PM

That's what happens when Roger doesn't meet Nadal on clay all the time.

NadalAgassi 11-23-2012 10:19 PM

.500 isnt bad, but Serena Williams was something like 8-0 vs the so called (lol) top 2 women in the World. She truly is one a kind. No women or man in history has been that dominant over her main competition at that age.

President 11-24-2012 06:55 AM

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Originally Posted by NadalAgassi (Post 7030617)
.500 isnt bad, but Serena Williams was something like 8-0 vs the so called (lol) top 2 women in the World. She truly is one a kind. No women or man in history has been that dominant over her main competition at that age.

Her competition is much weaker though. Federer is up against 2 all time greats in their own right (I expect Djokovic to bag around 9 majors or so) and an extremely talented player in Andy Murray (who honestly probably should have the career of someone like Boris Becker, just unlucky that he is playing against such monsters).


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