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tennis_pro 11-11-2012 01:42 PM

The 2012 ATP Player of the year on the line?
 
Both Federer and Djokovic won 1 major, 3 Masters and 6 titles overall this year. Is it fair to say (despite what the rankings say) that if Federer wins tomorrow he should be regarded as the "unofficial" no 1 for 2012?

Prisoner of Birth 11-11-2012 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by tennis_pro (Post 7008919)
Both Federer and Djokovic won 1 major, 3 Masters and 6 titles overall this year. Is it fair to say (despite what the rankings say) that if Federer wins tomorrow he should be regarded as the "unofficial" no 1 for 2012?

No, Djokovic is the better player for 2012, even if Federer double-Golden-sets him tomorrow.

Strategy 11-11-2012 01:54 PM

Obviously that's not fair to say. Djokovic was the better player in 2012.

RF20Lennon 11-11-2012 01:54 PM

I honestly think if Fed wins he should get it. 1 slam, 3 masters, sliver medal, 2 minor tournys and the WTF.
By comparison Nole has 1 slam, 3 masters, 1 minor tourny and lost in the bronze medal match

Tennis_Hands 11-11-2012 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Prisoner of Birth (Post 7008966)
No, Djokovic is the better player for 2012, even if Federer double-Golden-sets him tomorrow.

If you go by the big titles won, and Federer wins tomorrow, I cannot see how you could be even remotedly right.

Towser83 11-11-2012 02:08 PM

Federer if he won, would have more big titles, Djokovic greater consitency. But age 25 vs 31, I would expect Novak to be more consistant. So yeah, I think it would be Federer..

TheF1Bob 11-11-2012 02:08 PM

The rankings don't lie ******s.


Agassifan 11-11-2012 02:09 PM

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Originally Posted by RF20Lennon (Post 7008977)
I honestly think if Fed wins he should get it. 1 slam, 3 masters, sliver medal, 2 minor tournys and the WTF.
By comparison Nole has 1 slam, 3 masters, 1 minor tourny and lost in the bronze medal match

This is fair, although Nole has been better at Slams.

akv89 11-11-2012 02:11 PM

No, I like watching Federer more but Djokovic has been the better player year round. Those 3 finals at majors count. And the only time he didn't make it to the final, he lost to the eventual champion (Federer at Wimbledon). He also made the finals of 6 masters tournaments (winning 3). Djokovic is the legit #1 player.

Warmaster 11-11-2012 02:16 PM

Ranking = consistency. You can't argue with that. It's only fair that Djokovic is number 1.

Prisoner of Birth 11-11-2012 02:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Tennis_Hands (Post 7009000)
If you go by the big titles won, and Federer wins tomorrow, I cannot see how you could be even remotedly right.

Djokovic has been the better player at Slams by some distance. And he's been far more consistent. If the ATP-point-difference was sort of low, you could make a case for Federer, but it's too high to do anything of the sort. FFS, even in this tournament, Djokovic has won all 4 of his matches while Federer lost 1. It doesn't get any more obvious.

Ico 11-11-2012 02:31 PM

In my opinion, yes, it's on the line tomorrow. Djokovic has the YE#1 ranking, but Federer has the most prestigious slam and an Olympic medal. The WTF title would put either man over the edge.

Warmaster 11-11-2012 02:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Ico (Post 7009075)
In my opinion, yes, it's on the line tomorrow. Djokovic has the YE#1 ranking, but Federer has the most prestigious slam and an Olympic medal. The WTF title would put either man over the edge.

It just depends on what you feel is the most important. Title-wise, you'd have to give it to Federer should he win tomorrow.

But the ranking is first and foremost about consistency and as such you just can't ignore Djokovic' 3 major finals.

Prisoner of Birth 11-11-2012 02:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Warmaster (Post 7009081)
It just depends on what you feel is the most important. Title-wise, you'd have to give it to Federer should he win tomorrow.

But the ranking is first and foremost about consistency and as such you just can't ignore Djokovic' 3 major finals.

I feel people grossly underrate final-appearances, whether it's in Grand Slams, or even Masters 1000 tournaments. You make a Grand Slam final appearance, your place in history is secured. That's the way I see it.

Candide 11-11-2012 03:00 PM

It'll be a moral victory for Federer if he wins this baby. Perhaps not as sweet as finishing the year off as number one but a hell of a nice compensation. It'll leave Djokovic looking a bit silly. Looks like the king is not quite dead yet.

DragonBlaze 11-11-2012 03:07 PM

You could make the argument that what Fed did this year would be relatively speaking more impressive than what Djoker did, given their respective ages and point in their careers.

However that doesn't mean Fed was the best player of the year, that would still be Djokovic.

Prisoner of Birth 11-11-2012 03:10 PM

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Originally Posted by DragonBlaze (Post 7009158)
You could make the argument that what Fed did this year would be relatively speaking more impressive than what Djoker did, given their respective ages and point in their careers.

However that doesn't mean Fed was the best player of the year, that would still be Djokovic.

Exactly.

20exactlys.

World Beater 11-11-2012 03:19 PM

This match reminds me a little bit of sampras-agassi at year end tournament in germany

Agassi was #1 but pete wanted to show him who the real #1was.

Sampras owned agassi in the final.

DragonBlaze 11-11-2012 03:23 PM

Imagine how AWESOME it would have been if this match truly was to decide No. 1. I was really hoping such a scenario would happen, but alas Federer sucked post-Cincy so couldn't put himself in a position to do that.

Ico 11-11-2012 03:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Prisoner of Birth (Post 7009127)
I feel people grossly underrate final-appearances, whether it's in Grand Slams, or even Masters 1000 tournaments. You make a Grand Slam final appearance, your place in history is secured. That's the way I see it.

Yes. We all remember the glorious runs of Verkerk, Berasategui, Warwick, Denton, Lewis, and co. right?


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