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SwankPeRFection 11-12-2012 09:19 AM

Self Rated Leagues
 
OK, lets say that the normal rule for getting a Dynamic or Computer rating doesn't kick in until you actually play someone else who's NOT self rated, what would happen if you're in a small town with only two leagues where everyone is self rated? Would you end up being able to maintain your self rating indefinitely because you're not playing others that have a computer rating yet?

Alchemy-Z 11-12-2012 09:39 AM

We had a season when I first started where all the singles players were self rated 3.0 (and only 3 teams) and the 6 of us only played each other as no one else on the 3 teams wanted to play singles. 4 of us got bumped to 3.5 and the other 2 got a computer rated 3.0

so it must somehow calculate self rates vs self rates.

the 3.0 league is very small here normally 2 teams...maybe 3 and 80% self rates as hardly anyone last more than 1 season without getting bumped to 3.5

dizzlmcwizzl 11-12-2012 10:27 AM

Eventually, if it is a USTA adult league, then someone from your league would play in playoffs and they would need to play someone that played someone that played a rated player by the time they got to Nationals.

SwankPeRFection 11-12-2012 10:40 AM

OK, so then how in the world do you end up with a team full of Self Rated players at state that also went to state the year before? How is that even possible?

beernutz 11-12-2012 11:13 AM

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Originally Posted by SwankPeRFection (Post 7010965)
OK, so then how in the world do you end up with a team full of Self Rated players at state that also went to state the year before? How is that even possible?

Link to team page on tennislink?

SwankPeRFection 11-12-2012 11:44 AM

Well, we can pretty much disregard this. This was for a Combo team who's religiously made it a habit of filing NTRP self-rates for some of their players lower than they should be. Because they're exclusively playing just Combo, which doesn't count for NTRP level changes, yet is governed by it's requirement to rate someone before they can play, they'll continue to stay at their self-rated levels indefinitely. It's basically a bs loophole in the regulations made for this league and kept like this by the committees who rule on it. Doesn't seem right to require an NTRP rating to play within this league, yet not allow the NTRP rating to change based on match play. I can see where if you're playing exclusively just combo it can be hard for the system to tell who's the dominant player on a team which could have accounted for a team winning or losing, but not raising or lowering player's NTRPs even when they advance repetitively to state finals is just letting people get away with cheating the system. I guess even the USTA doesn't let the tennis code of ethics govern their ability to write rules, which is a shame because they're the first to throw the book at anyone else when they do anything wrong.

This is a prime example of tennis politics which shouldn't be allowed!

schmke 11-12-2012 03:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Alchemy-Z (Post 7010805)
We had a season when I first started where all the singles players were self rated 3.0 (and only 3 teams) and the 6 of us only played each other as no one else on the 3 teams wanted to play singles. 4 of us got bumped to 3.5 and the other 2 got a computer rated 3.0

so it must somehow calculate self rates vs self rates.

the 3.0 league is very small here normally 2 teams...maybe 3 and 80% self rates as hardly anyone last more than 1 season without getting bumped to 3.5

I'd be interested in know more specifics about this if you care to share a link to TennisLink or identify the league. As another poster mentioned, at some point the winner of the league advances in playoffs and plays other teams and then you have a reference point, but I'd like to confirm that or otherwise try to figure out how the situation is handled.

Playtennis 11-15-2012 05:20 AM

As a self rated player, if you get bumped down EOY, how much van they bump you. Is .5 max either way?

schmke 11-15-2012 07:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Playtennis (Post 7017516)
As a self rated player, if you get bumped down EOY, how much van they bump you. Is .5 max either way?

There is no maximum level you can be bumped down (or up).

As a self rated player you have no rating to start and it is entirely determined by the results of your matches (the score, who you play with if doubles, and who you play against). If you only play at one level, say 3.5, then it is unlikely given how the dynamic ratings are calculated, that you'd be bumped down lower than 3.0. But it is possible if the "3.5" players you play are actually 3.0's playing up and you lose to them badly.

So practically speaking, one likely won't see a bump down of more than one level below the level you play at, but it isn't because of any rule.

dizzlmcwizzl 11-15-2012 04:14 PM

Yea ... there is no limit however moving more than one level rarely happens.

Every year a few players that go to nationals get the double bump (usually self rated). Getting the double bump down very rarely happens.

dcdoorknob 11-15-2012 10:37 PM

I've known a couple of people who got the double bump up when they first started as a self-rate (not even going to nationals, maybe just district playoffs is all), but definitely never heard of a double bump down. In theory it's possible but I'm skeptical that it actually ever happens (would be curious if someone knows of an actual case of it?)


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