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Roberto_spin 11-12-2012 10:45 PM

2HBH scissor kick
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OXTaD...layer_embedded

Are there other names or instructions which van be found on Internet on this technique? Like bicycle kick or jumping 2HBH?
(I have only read old discussions http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/archi...p/t-99541.html)

Does anybody uses this technique? And when? An why is this shot only executed by a few players, what alternatives do others prefer/use for handling those shots?

I found myself that sometimes I do it naturally with high bouncing short balls on the backhand-side. I don't have a lot of swing, but the kickback gives me some power to put behind the ball.

I see Murray, Verdasco and Dolgopolov executing this shot often, even at the baseline. But I haven't found any usefull info besides what is described above, because I don't know how it's been called.

BHiC 11-13-2012 05:15 AM

The purpose of this shot is on high balls, to raise your core and make contact with the ball higher. I will hit the shot when messing around, but when playing a match, I find it better to either move in or take a step back and hit a regular backhand.

SystemicAnomaly 11-13-2012 05:24 AM

Mule-kick BH is the most common term applied to this. Also referred to as a jumping BH. Scissor kick is a maneuver that is a bit different (used for moving back and upward for an overhead smash). I've used the the mule-kick for 1-handed BHs and for high sliced Fhs as well as for the 2HBh.

boramiNYC 11-13-2012 06:14 AM

flat drive. you need a very good balance on one leg. stand sideway on the front foot only and kick the back leg backward as you drive the ball relatively flat. kicking back leg counter balances the extension of the arms forward.

boramiNYC 11-13-2012 06:37 AM

or you might be thinking prep in open stance and quick switching to closed stance in the air as you make the contact. which kinda looks like a scissor kick.

SystemicAnomaly 11-13-2012 10:45 AM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PDpjn_4EYck

About 90 seconds in, Will Hamilton demonstrates a true scissor kick. It is the scissoring action of both legs that gives it its name. The mule kick is a different animal.
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LeeD 11-13-2012 10:51 AM

Ridiculous to learn any one technique.
Just get your torso high enough to hit the ball the way you want, the rest takes care of itself, so you don't fall on your face.

rufus_smith 11-13-2012 06:31 PM

For your enjoyment, here is a brief clip one of the most beautiful and deadly shots in the history of tennis by my personal favorite, Marcelo Rios:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FpqkryJaNio

Do it that way on the tennis court one time and feel good the rest of the day.

Roberto_spin 11-13-2012 08:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SystemicAnomaly (Post 7013902)
Mule-kick BH is the most common term applied to this. Also referred to as a jumping BH. Scissor kick is a maneuver that is a bit different (used for moving back and upward for an overhead smash). I've used the the mule-kick for 1-handed BHs and for high sliced Fhs as well as for the 2HBh.

Thnx, I have found threads with the mule-kick... It's only a less sexy name :evil: than it looks like. I mean... I'm interested not because it's a missing stroke in my game, but it looks so damn cool on the court :)

Roberto_spin 11-13-2012 08:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rufus_smith (Post 7015168)
For your enjoyment, here is a brief clip one of the most beautiful and deadly shots in the history of tennis by my personal favorite, Marcelo Rios:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FpqkryJaNio

Do it that way on the tennis court one time and feel good the rest of the day.

THNX for sharing, Rios performs this shot so smooth...

Roberto_spin 11-13-2012 08:49 PM

Thanx for sharing al tips on how to perform this stroke.

Ocassions to when to use are:
* high balls (on the rise?), to have higher contact with the ball
(e.g. returning a kick-serve)
* hitting angles
* other?

What disadvantages are there? @BHic: why not use in matches like the pro's?

Xizel 11-13-2012 09:27 PM

Disadvantages? Good luck generating pace or topspin.

aimr75 11-14-2012 12:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Xizel (Post 7015348)
Disadvantages? Good luck generating pace or topspin.

At times I've timed this shot well and only really managed a lot of pace while also moving forward while doing the scissor. Just trying to jump up without forward momentum won't get you much in the way of pace

rufus_smith 11-14-2012 03:17 PM

here's one with pace:
Belluci versus Nadal practice

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...JjrlnqFs#t=19s

SystemicAnomaly 11-16-2012 07:35 AM

^ I agree. A jumping BH (or FH) can be hit with spin or pace if timed well and executed properly. Chang, Rios, Safin, Verdasco, Nadal and others have done so quite often.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Roberto_spin (Post 7015315)
Thanx for sharing al tips on how to perform this stroke.

Ocassions to when to use are:
* high balls (on the rise?), to have higher contact with the ball
(e.g. returning a kick-serve)
* hitting angles
* other...

I actually adopted a variation for my 1-hander because I had a lot of heel pain (right foot) and tennis elbow (left arm). For a while, I was suffering from painful heel spurs on my right leg. I did not realize it at first, but the heel pain resulted in TE on the opposite arm. After 2-3 weeks of TE, I realized the connection. I was not loading up and driving off my right foot to hit my lefty BH. As a result, I had compensated in such a manner as to out added stress to my elbow.

At the time, I recall marveling at Safin's implementation of the mule-kick BH (2-handed). I noticed that the loading and drive was done with the front leg and not the back leg and decided that I could use it for my one-handed BH. I implemented it by leaning forward a bit to put more weight on my bent forward leg. I found that I drive off that front leg with no pain to my back foot. For higher shots, I would employ a modified mule-kick. After 3-4 weeks of this my TE disappeared and my heel pain had also started to diminish considerably. Here is a sample of the Safin jumping BH that you can play with:

http://www.hi-techtennis.com/video_s...8&video_id=184

To study the mule-kick BH, pause the Safin video and then step thru the sequence frame-by-frame using the Left and Right arrow keys on your keyboard. For a jumping FH, you might try searching for "Air Kei" (Nishikori). For a implementation of of a 1-handed mule-kick BH, take a gander at this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6CMR1CJQBFc&t=24s
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dominikk1985 11-16-2012 08:48 AM

grosjean could do that well.

kopfan 11-16-2012 10:36 AM

This is call JACK KNIFE backhand by Momoshiro.

SystemicAnomaly 11-16-2012 07:07 PM

^ A PoT reference, no doubt. The mule-kick BH is also know as an Air BH. Here are couple of great ones from the more athletic women-folk:



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JRUtxTUkXOQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N29wkoLc9zM


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