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McEnroeisanartist 11-13-2012 06:48 AM

Federer's Records Against the Big 4 Since 2008
 
Federer Against Big 4 (Djokovic, Nadal, and Murray)

2008 - 3-8
2009 - 5-6
2010 - 7-4
2011 - 2-7
2012 - 6-6
Total 23-31

6-1 6-3 6-0 11-13-2012 06:52 AM

Yes, how impressive of Federer to lose the majority of his matches against them.

joeri888 11-13-2012 06:53 AM

Seems decent. Only 2008 was pretty bad. It's obvious how 2011 was a poor year for him, and only his final indoor run managed to keep him in top 4. However, 2008 is somewhat surprising. I guess the four or five losses to Nadal don't help, but only three wins? 1 against Djokovic in MC, one against Murray at USO and one against Djokovic at USO.

What you see though is that Fed is not necessarily better than Murray or Djokovic in their matches against each other, but he IS way better in winning the matches he should win. He doesn't lose to Kohlschreiber (FO 09), Cilic (USO09), Rosol (W12) or Wawrinka (USO10) in a Slam. He just doesnt. Not even talking about losing to clowns like Verdasco, Young, Bogomolov, Chardy or Querrey.

Spider 11-13-2012 06:54 AM

I think Federer cannot beat Djokovic, Murray or Nadal (if he comes back ever). Those days of beating them are in the past.

For Federer to win a tournament, someone will have to beat these three guys.

joeri888 11-13-2012 06:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Spider (Post 7013949)
I think Federer cannot beat Djokovic, Murray or Nadal (if he comes back ever). Those days of beating them are in the past.
For Federer to win a tournament, someone will have to beat these three guys.

You mean in the past, as in 2 days ago???!!!

Spider 11-13-2012 07:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by joeri888 (Post 7013952)
You mean in the past, as in 2 days ago???!!!

That was a one off. Have you forgotten how badly Murray beat Federer at Olympics or just a few weeks ago?

kOaMaster 11-13-2012 07:08 AM

how can you even think of saying "those days are past" when he just had a 6-6 his year?

BHud 11-13-2012 07:11 AM

...and yet somehow he became #1 again at age 30 and won another Wimby...must be a weak era?

joeri888 11-13-2012 07:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Spider (Post 7013965)
That was a one off. Have you forgotten how badly Murray beat Federer at Olympics or just a few weeks ago?

That was a two off..:oops::confused:

Dude, he proved he can beat one of the best two days ago and came mighty close to beating THE best 1 day ago. A few months ago, he beat both Murray and Djokovic at Wimbledon. In March, he beat Nadal on a slow slow windy windy hardcourt. What you say has been said a million times. He'd never beat Djoko after AO08! He'd never beat Nadal after W08, he'd never be world no. 1 again after Cincy 08. Next thing? he won USO. And went on to complete career slam. In 2010 after losing to Soderling and berdych in slams, same thing. In 2011, after losing 2 set leads against djokovic and Tsonga. Same thing. Yet he keeps coming back. Eventually, you will be right, eventually he will NEVER beat one of the big 4 again. But there's no reason why that point has already come. You said never, which means, never ever. Zero times, from now on. A 'one off' already proves you wrong. You sure there won't be any more 'one off's?'

batz 11-13-2012 07:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Spider (Post 7013949)
I think Federer cannot beat Djokovic, Murray or Nadal (if he comes back ever). Those days of beating them are in the past.

For Federer to win a tournament, someone will have to beat these three guys.

Yep - two whole days in the past.

What a load of old bollocks.

Tennis_Hands 11-13-2012 07:27 AM

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Originally Posted by McEnroeisanartist (Post 7013935)
Federer Against Big 4 (Djokovic, Nadal, and Murray)

2008 - 3-8
2009 - 5-6
2010 - 7-4
2011 - 2-7
2012 - 6-6
Total 23-31

Going by that stat, he should have a dominant (in terms of H2H) year in 2013. :)

However, I would prefer, that he wins another Major title, and have abysmal record against the others from the top 4, than have a positive H2H with them, and doesn't win anything significant.

Brian72 11-13-2012 07:29 AM

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Originally Posted by joeri888 (Post 7013947)
What you see though is that Fed is not necessarily better than Murray or Djokovic in their matches against each other, but he IS way better in winning the matches he should win. He doesn't lose to Kohlschreiber (FO 09), Cilic (USO09), Rosol (W12) or Wawrinka (USO10) in a Slam. He just doesnt. Not even talking about losing to clowns like Verdasco, Young, Bogomolov, Chardy or Querrey.

To say that he is way better winning matches he should win compared to the others is just a bit of an overstatement.

Not saying he isn't good. In 2012, Djokovic lost to 2 players outside the top 10. Federer lost to 3 players outside the top 10 in 2012. Obviously Federer has had a great career and has gotten to at least the Semi's of the Majors a record number of times. But If you are comparing current Roger to Current top 4 making that he is way better doesn't hold water.

joeri888 11-13-2012 07:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Brian72 (Post 7014007)
To say that he is way better winning matches he should win compared to the others is just a bit of an overstatement.

Not saying he isn't good. In 2012, Djokovic lost to 2 players outside the top 10. Federer lost to 3 players outside the top 10 in 2012. Obviously Federer has had a great career and has gotten to at least the Semi's of the Majors a record number of times. But If you are comparing current Roger to Current top 4 making that he is way better doesn't hold water.

No. But that's why Djokovic is number 1 and Federer only number 2 no? I am talking since 2008, and since 2008. The two are equal, but Djokovic maybe does better than Rog against top opposition like Nadal and Murray, but he doesn't do better since then against the rest of the field. That's why Fed has remained so close for all these years.

Anyways, no reason to defend old Roger too much. It's all obvious that what he's still doing is incredible and can not in any way put a dent in his legacy.

Snaab 11-13-2012 07:39 AM

Just out of curiousity, what would those yearly breakouts look like if you pull matches on clay with Nadal out (ONLY Nadal mind you)? Considering he is lifetime 2-12 on clay with the Bull, it would be an interesting look. For that matter, what are Djokovic and Murray H2H with Nadal on clay?

McEnroeisanartist 11-13-2012 07:41 AM

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Originally Posted by 6-1 6-3 6-0 (Post 7013943)
Yes, how impressive of Federer to lose the majority of his matches against them.

I wouldn't say impressive. And I didn't offer any commentary. Although, post-prime, it is not bad. Impressive that Federer is able to play an entire year at 30/31, unlike crippled Nadal.

Obviously, Nadal has the best record of the big 4 against the big 4, so it is remarkable that he obviously loses to so many lesser ranked players. This is evidenced by him not being able to have one season with a winning percentage above 90%. Quite tragic really.

batz 11-13-2012 07:43 AM

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Originally Posted by McEnroeisanartist (Post 7014031)
I wouldn't say impressive. And I didn't offer any commentary. Although, post-prime, it is not bad. Impressive that Federer is able to play an entire year at 30/31, unlike crippled Nadal.

Obviously, Nadal has the best record of the big 4 against the big 4, so it is remarkable that he obviously loses to so many lesser ranked players. This is evidenced by him not being able to have one season with a winning percentage above 90%. Quite tragic really.

What are the records of the other 3 members of the Big 4?

DRII 11-13-2012 10:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by McEnroeisanartist (Post 7014031)
I wouldn't say impressive. And I didn't offer any commentary. Although, post-prime, it is not bad. Impressive that Federer is able to play an entire year at 30/31, unlike crippled Nadal.

Obviously, Nadal has the best record of the big 4 against the big 4, so it is remarkable that he obviously loses to so many lesser ranked players. This is evidenced by him not being able to have one season with a winning percentage above 90%. Quite tragic really.

Tragic?

Your world must really be upside down to consider any aspect of Nadal's sterling career - tragic!

Wake up!

tudwell 11-13-2012 10:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Spider (Post 7013965)
That was a one off. Have you forgotten how badly Murray beat Federer at Olympics or just a few weeks ago?

Murray led Federer 6-2 in 2009. Since then, they've gone 7-4 in Federer's favor. Their rivalry is closer now than it ever has been. Not a one-off at all.

cknobman 11-13-2012 10:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Spider (Post 7013965)
That was a one off. Have you forgotten how badly Murray beat Federer at Olympics or just a few weeks ago?

??? And what about Wimbledon?

wangs78 11-13-2012 11:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by McEnroeisanartist (Post 7013935)
Federer Against Big 4 (Djokovic, Nadal, and Murray)

2008 - 3-8
2009 - 5-6
2010 - 7-4
2011 - 2-7
2012 - 6-6
Total 23-31

What are these numbers minus Nadal?


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