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5555 11-17-2012 06:20 AM

Similarity between Fed-Rafa-Djoko and Jimbo-Borg-Mac
 
Connors-Borg was the main rivalry in tennis that lasted several years. Then, the main rivalry was Borg-McEnroe than lasted couple of years. After that, the main rivalry was McEnroe-Connors that lasted couple of years.

Federer-Nadal was the main rivalry in tennis that lasted several years. Then, the main rivalry was Nadal-Djokovic that lasted couple of years. After that, the main rivalry, as of now, is Djokovic-Federer.


PS Novak-Roger rivalry badly needs more finals at slams.

RF007 11-17-2012 06:23 AM

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Originally Posted by 5555 (Post 7021153)
PS Novak-Roger rivalry badly needs more finals at slams.

Agree! The only slam final they've played was at the US Open 2007. I've lost count of how many SFs they played. 10+?

Razoredge 11-17-2012 06:31 AM

Nah, Federer vs Nadal is still the greatest rivalry in the sport.

They need to meet in a slam final again, preferably USO.

5555 11-17-2012 06:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Razoredge (Post 7021168)
Nah, Federer vs Nadal is still the greatest rivalry in the sport.

The main rivalry in tennis is rivalry between two best players. Right now, two best players are Djokovic and Federer.

Sabratha 11-17-2012 07:01 AM

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Originally Posted by 5555 (Post 7021176)
The main rivalry in tennis is rivalry between two best players. Right now, two best players are Djokovic and Federer.

Except Federer and Djokovic have had a long standing rivalry that dates back to 2007.

kishnabe 11-17-2012 08:30 AM

Murray=Lendl.

Next couple of years it will be Murray Djokovic(more even rivavlry) rivalry. Just like McEnroe Lendl Rivavrly.

McEnroe declined and did not traing physically while Lendl did everything Legal to be better.

Won't see Djokovic or Murray become lazy.

dimeaxe 11-17-2012 11:59 AM

:)

5555 11-18-2012 04:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Sabratha (Post 7021216)
Except Federer and Djokovic have had a long standing rivalry that dates back to 2007.

Is this your attempt to rebute my argument?

forzamilan90 11-18-2012 12:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Razoredge (Post 7021168)
Nah, Federer vs Nadal is still the greatest rivalry in the sport.

They need to meet in a slam final again, preferably USO.

I want Wimbledon final rematch between them too

Sid_Vicious 11-18-2012 01:36 PM

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Originally Posted by dimeaxe (Post 7021678)
:)

Sums it up for me!


If you invert those faces, it would be perfect for a Nadal fan.

Candide 11-18-2012 02:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Razoredge (Post 7021168)
Nah, Federer vs Nadal is still the greatest rivalry in the sport.

They need to meet in a slam final again, preferably USO.

Agreed. Unfortunately because of Nadal's relative weakness on surfaces other than clay he hasn't got to as many finals as Fed on other surfaces robbing us of opportunities to see them go at it on the big stage more often. Call this the Rosol Effect. Now because of Fed's inevitable slippage from the top with age he won't reach as many finals either so sad to say I think we've seen what we're going to see from these two in slam finals other than perhaps another FO which of course would be advantage Nadal. I'd still like to see it though.

veroniquem 11-18-2012 02:38 PM

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Originally Posted by 5555 (Post 7021153)
Connors-Borg was the main rivalry in tennis that lasted several years. Then, the main rivalry was Borg-McEnroe than lasted couple of years. After that, the main rivalry was McEnroe-Connors that lasted couple of years.

Federer-Nadal was the main rivalry in tennis that lasted several years. Then, the main rivalry was Nadal-Djokovic that lasted couple of years. After that, the main rivalry, as of now, is Djokovic-Federer.


PS Novak-Roger rivalry badly needs more finals at slams.

First of all, the Fed/Nadal rivalry rarely happened on hard court (and hard court is about 70% of the tour). There are only 2 years when Rafa and Fed played more than 4 times a season: 2006 (6) and 2007 (5). Only 3 of those 11 encounters were on hard (2 WTF and 1 Dubai). Fed/Djoko has lasted longer and has been predominantly on hard: 2009 (5 encounters), 2010 (5), 2011 (5), 2012 (5). So that has been a bigger rivalry than Fed/Nadal for the last 4 years. Interestingly 2012 was the first year that the Fed/Djoko rivalry happened OFF hard: 3 matches on clay/grass vs only 2 on hard. That's because the main rivalry in 2012 was Djoko/Murray (they played 7 times whereas they had never played more that 3 times a year before). Djoko/Murray is the rivalry of the future, not Fed, sorry.
Regardless, the #1 rivalry in the last 6 years has involved neither Fed nor Murray. It's been Djoko/Nadal (except in 2010). 2007: 7 encounters. 2008: 6. 2009: 7. 2011: 6. 2012: 4 because Nadal only played half the year.
In slams, careerwise, Fed/Djoko have played 11 times: 5 times at USO, 3 times at AO, twice at RG and once at Wimbledon.They've also played 11 times in masters: twice in Cincy, twice in Canada, twice in Rome, twice in M-C + once in IW, Miami, Shanghai. Only 2 masters where they never met: Madrid and Paris. They met twice at WTF. Fed led the head to head in 2006, 2007, 2008, 2010, Djoko in 2009, 2011, 2012.
Fed/Rafa have played in 10 slams: 5 RG (that's half the total!!), 3 Wimbledon and 2 AO, never in USO. They've played in 13 masters (8 times on clay): 3 M-C, 3 Madrid (on clay), 3 Miami , 2 Hamburg + 1 IW and 1 Rome. That leaves 4 masters on hard where they never met: Canada, Cincy, Shanghai (or Madrid indoor), Paris. They met 4 times at WTF. Nadal led the h to h in 2004, 2006, 2008 and 2011. Fed led in 2007. They were tie in 2005, 2009, 2010 and 2012.
Djoko/Nadal have played in slams 9 times: 4 times in RG, twice at Wimbledon, twice at USO and once at AO (note that unlike Nadal/Fed they've met in every slam). The biggest difference is in masters where they played each other 18 times: 4 times in Rome, 3 times in IW, twice in Miami, twice in Cincy, twice in Madrid (clay), twice in M-C + Canada, Hamburg, Paris once. The only master where they haven't met is Shanghai. They've met at WTF 3 times + once in Olympics. Nadal led the h to h in all years except for 2011.


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