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Talker 11-24-2012 06:11 PM

Greatest Grass Court Player of All Time.
 
There's been Federer and Sampras talked about lately, largely ignoring the earlier ERA's before Borg.

In those earlier ERA's grass was more prevelant so there may be other players who have some solid claims.

It isn't just looking at titles, grass used to come in variations that could change the court conditions quite a bit.

Here's some stats that I hope are accurate and give some idea what Sampras and Federer are up against.


Bill Tilden: 10 Grass Court Titles, Including 10 Majors on Grass

Roy Emerson: 10 Grass Court Titles, Including 10 Majors on Grass

Rod Laver: 39 Grass Court Titles, Including 9 Majors on Grass

Roger Federer: 12 Grass Court Titles, Including 7 Majors on Grass

Pete Sampras: 10 Grass Court Titles, Including 7 Majors on Grass

John Newcombe: 10 Grass Court Titles, Including 7 Majors on Grass

Fred Perry: 7 Grass Court Titles, Including 7 Majors on Grass

Ken Rosewall: 6 Grass Court Titles, Including 6 Majors on Grass

Bjorn Borg: 6 Grass Court Titles, Including 5 Majors on Grass

Don Budge: 5 Grass Court Titles, Including 5 Majors on Grass

Frank Sedgman: 5 Grass Court Titles, Including 5 Majors on Grass

Jack Crawford: 5 Grass Court Titles, Including 5 Majors on Grass

90's Clay 11-24-2012 06:14 PM

Sampras.. hands down.. Followed by Laver and Fed

I still have yet to see anyone as good Pete was on the lawns on the big stage.

BobbyOne 11-24-2012 06:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Talker (Post 7031409)
There's been Federer and Sampras talked about lately, largely ignoring the earlier ERA's before Borg.

In those earlier ERA's grass was more prevelant so there may be other players who have some solid claims.

It isn't just looking at titles, grass used to come in variations that could change the court conditions quite a bit.

Here's some stats that I hope are accurate and give some idea what Sampras and Federer are up against.


Bill Tilden: 10 Grass Court Titles, Including 10 Majors on Grass

Roy Emerson: 10 Grass Court Titles, Including 10 Majors on Grass

Rod Laver: 39 Grass Court Titles, Including 9 Majors on Grass

Roger Federer: 12 Grass Court Titles, Including 7 Majors on Grass

Pete Sampras: 10 Grass Court Titles, Including 7 Majors on Grass

John Newcombe: 10 Grass Court Titles, Including 7 Majors on Grass

Fred Perry: 7 Grass Court Titles, Including 7 Majors on Grass

Ken Rosewall: 6 Grass Court Titles, Including 6 Majors on Grass

Bjorn Borg: 6 Grass Court Titles, Including 5 Majors on Grass

Don Budge: 5 Grass Court Titles, Including 5 Majors on Grass

Frank Sedgman: 5 Grass Court Titles, Including 5 Majors on Grass

Jack Crawford: 5 Grass Court Titles, Including 5 Majors on Grass

Talker, You omit the pro majors. Also most of your players have won many more grass court titles than you list up: For instance Rosewall has won dozens of grasscourt tournaments.

Talker 11-24-2012 06:19 PM

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Originally Posted by 90's Clay (Post 7031413)
Sampras.. hands down.. Followed by Laver and Fed

I still have yet to see anyone as good Pete was on the lawns on the big stage.

What about the earlier ERA's?
They had much more practice on the grass, no doubt that would have improved their game.

I can't take anything away from Pete though.

Talker 11-24-2012 06:20 PM

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Originally Posted by BobbyOne (Post 7031415)
Talker, You omit the pro majors. Also most of your players have won many more grass court titles than you list up: For instance Rosewall has won dozens of grasscourt tournaments.

Those numbers looked small I thought with all the grass in the earlier ERA's.

90's Clay 11-24-2012 06:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Talker (Post 7031418)
What about the earlier ERA's?
They had much more practice on the grass, no doubt that would have improved their game.

I can't take anything away from Pete though.

The earlier guys got to play more on grass for sure. Pete would have won an ungodly amount of slams if the calendar year was comprised of 3 slams on grass

Fed would as well. But these guys didn't have the benefit of that

Talker 11-24-2012 06:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BobbyOne (Post 7031415)
Talker, You omit the pro majors. Also most of your players have won many more grass court titles than you list up: For instance Rosewall has won dozens of grasscourt tournaments.

Who's your choice or top five?

Talker 11-24-2012 06:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 90's Clay (Post 7031423)
The earlier guys got to play more on grass for sure. Pete would have won an ungodly amount of slams if the calendar year was comprised of 3 slams on grass

Fed would as well. But these guys didn't have the benefit of that

You're probably right but as many have told fans of players in the 60's, only the records count.

Still, most have Sampras and Fed at the top.

If Laver is a GOAT candidate he must be at the top of some surface or nearly so.

veroniquem 11-24-2012 06:50 PM

I would say Laver but in those days players played much, much more on grass than now, so of course they had a lot of expertise.

NadalAgassi 11-24-2012 07:47 PM

Toss up between Gonzales, Tilden, Laver, and Sampras. If I had to pick a top 5 it would probably be:

1. Gonzales
2. Sampras
3. Tilden
4. Laver
5. Federer

Tennis_Hands 11-24-2012 08:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NadalAgassi (Post 7031488)
Toss up between Gonzales, Tilden, Laver, and Sampras. If I had to pick a top 5 it would probably be:

1. Gonzales
2. Sampras
3. Tilden
4. Laver
5. Federer

So, Federer is just a filling?

You, ridiculous, you.

TMF 11-24-2012 09:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BobbyOne (Post 7031415)
Talker, You omit the pro majors. Also most of your players have won many more grass court titles than you list up: For instance Rosewall has won dozens of grasscourt tournaments.

Like other poster have mentioned, there are far more grass events during Rosewall's day. And not all grass tournament are created equal. Wimbledon is worth 20 small events. Unless you want to tell us event like Bristol is = Wimbledon.:)

Mick 11-24-2012 09:09 PM

today's slow grass or yesterday's fast grass?

on today's grass, the top players of the past would rush to the net only to get passed by today's top players

and on yesterday's grass, the top players of the today would stay at the baseline and see the top players from the past knock off one volley after another :)

smoledman 11-24-2012 10:15 PM

Obviously Fed is obvious.

BobbyOne 11-25-2012 07:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NadalAgassi (Post 7031488)
Toss up between Gonzales, Tilden, Laver, and Sampras. If I had to pick a top 5 it would probably be:

1. Gonzales
2. Sampras
3. Tilden
4. Laver
5. Federer

My top five: Laver, Sampras, Federer, Gonzalez and Rosewall with Laver a sure first.

Rosewall won eight grass court majors and many other grass tournaments.

dimeaxe 11-25-2012 07:50 AM

Roger Sampras :cool:

hoodjem 11-25-2012 07:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tennis_Hands (Post 7031516)
So, Federer is just a filling?

You, ridiculous, you.

How dare you impugn Federer by asking such a question!

BLASPHEMY.

TMF 11-25-2012 08:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hoodjem (Post 7031902)
How dare you impugn Federer by asking such a question!

BLASPHEMY.

Federer is underrated on the former pro player talk forum AND on this general player forum.

Laver maybe underrated on this forum, but on the former player pro talk forum, he's the best thing since sliced bread.

NadalAgassi 11-25-2012 08:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TMF (Post 7031916)
Federer is underrated on the former pro player talk forum AND on this general player forum.

This is rich beyond words. It is one thing to say Federer is underrated on the Former Pro Section, which while I totally disagree, I can atleast believe one having that opinion. However underrated on the General Player Forum where everyday there are 20 threads entitled "Federer is GOAT" "Why Federer is GOAT" "Federer is the bestest and greatest grass, hard, clay, and nails player ever", and where Federer wins every single poll that there ever is. Hahahahahahahahahahahahah funniest statement ever.


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