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cork_screw 11-29-2012 12:16 PM

Toni Nadal on Rage
 
http://www.tennisworldusa.org/Toni-N...icolo7169.html


”If it was up to us we would play always on clay but its not something possible. Of the four Slam tournaments, two are on hard court. The Master 1000 are play almost all on hard court. It’s complicated to change the rules. There’s nothing to do. The only thing we can do is competing on fast surfaces. Then usually we have 3 Masters on clay, last year just two…


He kinda wants the entire ATP body to re-shape it's structure based on his nephew. Does he need an all advantage Rafa schedule, kinda absurd. I don't know why he's asking for some GS and more Masters to be converted over to clay.

Couple of things, Rafa was injured because of his style of play NOT primarily based on the schedule or the surfaces. And you have seen him change it because he himself has identified it to be a problem, that's why you see rafa slicing the ball more on his backhand side than in the past and he's not hustling for every single ball like he did a few years ago. But I don't like how his uncle/coach has now created some type of argument where he wants this dream like situation where his "guy" benefits greatly while really ignoring the basis for the entire tennis body and all its players. To me, it's like the Casino. It's not enough that they are taking in 95% profit, but now they're trying to shimmy the percentage to 98% in their favor. Rafa is pretty dominate, I don't think we need more clay events. I do think we have enough as it is. I would actually like to see an extended grass season and really enjoy watching Gerry Webber and AEGON. But to add peace to all fans, I think it would do a great service if the media would just filter out the non players. I don't think anyone is a fan of listening/seeing Sharapova's dad death stare, seeing andy murray's mother's fist pumps, or Toni Nadal rant.

NatF 11-29-2012 12:24 PM

Even out the number of clay, hardcourt and grass tournaments. More grass and less hardcourts would be a better option.

Apun94 11-29-2012 12:26 PM

Please tell me if anything toni said wasnt true. However, one thing toni said is not practical. Its hard to have any other surface at wtf simply bcz players need time to get used to change in surface... Otherwise he is absolutely right...

Razoredge 11-29-2012 12:31 PM

Grass is for cows.

Candide 11-29-2012 12:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Razoredge (Post 7038461)
Grass is for cows.

And goats apparently. Boom tish.

cork_screw 11-29-2012 12:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Apun94 (Post 7038450)
Please tell me if anything toni said wasnt true. However, one thing toni said is not practical. Its hard to have any other surface at wtf simply bcz players need time to get used to change in surface... Otherwise he is absolutely right...

You wanna see more clay tournaments? You're insane. Those clay masters are all globbed together. I don't see the difference between them; madrid, monte carlo, rome. All the same. And all pretty boring. But to me, Miami and Indian wells are totally different and that's why I love watching them.

Mustard 11-29-2012 12:53 PM

There needs to be more clay, more grass, more carpet, and much less hardcourt.

Crisstti 11-29-2012 12:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NatF (Post 7038448)
Even out the number of clay, hardcourt and grass tournaments. More grass and less hardcourts would be a better option.

Exactly. It's hard for a lot of people (Nadal haters) here, but the surface distribution is obviously not fair (and good on Toni for saying it).

The Moonballer 11-29-2012 01:12 PM

Typical ****** and Toni the shady character.

Fatbutt has no problem cheering for errors and endless retrieving but when his disgusting playing style catches up with him, this is a problem for all, no?

Sickening.


kragster 11-29-2012 01:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Crisstti (Post 7038515)
Exactly. It's hard for a lot of people (Nadal haters) here, but the surface distribution is obviously not fair (and good on Toni for saying it).

I think you're dead wrong on this. The surface distribution is something that evolves over time and players are expected to adapt to it. You can argue that the surface distribution is not even. But fair? All players know the surface before hand and conditions are equal for all. It is rafa's fault if he decides to develop a game more suitable for clay.

Now you could say that if tomorrow suddenly, they said Roland garros is played on a HC, now that would be unfair.

The fact that Nadal moulded his game for clay is what has made him the RG goat, it is a choice he and Toni made and they should not blame the ATP for that. And why does Nadal complain about hC and then plays meaningless exos on HC?

I respect Toni for the work ethic and humility he instilled in Nadal and the great decision to make him lefty but other than that he's an idiot.

Bobby Jr 11-29-2012 01:50 PM

The problem is, most countries around the world have a majority of hard courts... it's what has developed over the years and it'd be hard to just dump a one clay court in a city as a stand-alone entity. Tennis centres almost all rely on out of tournament business and, without it, they're dead ducks financially.

Perhaps we should have one major on artificial grass if Toni's logic is to be applied with an even brush. :p

It's also worth considering that many of the hard courts have been slowed down so much they basically play as slow as clay did anyway - they're just harder to run on. Is it the speed or the hardness Toni is concerned about?

Maybe the situation could be rectified by, as Toni says, replacing a couple of hard court tournaments with clay ones.

In order for this to be fair they would have to be post US Open - Shanghai and Bercy for example. The current hard court schedule is split in two so why should clay get a straight run of tournaments all within 45 mins flying time from each other just for the benefit of clay court specialists? No, make the players adapt more during the season.

In addition, when these couple of tournaments are changed to clay, the remaining hard court tournaments would all need to be sped up - some to early 90s conditions. Not doing that would be inherently unjust to those who aren't clay-court specialists - and the fans who are tiring of the lack of variety shown in the game today compared to the past.

Clarky21 11-29-2012 02:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bobby Jr (Post 7038582)
The problem is, most countries around the world have a majority of hard courts... it's what has developed over the years and it'd be hard to just dump a one clay court in a city as a stand-alone entity. Tennis centres almost all rely on out of tournament business and, without it, they're dead ducks financially.

Perhaps we should have one major on artificial grass if Toni's logic is to be applied with an even brush. :p

It's also worth considering that many of the hard courts have been slowed down so much they basically play as slow as clay did anyway - they're just harder to run on. Is it the speed or the hardness Toni is concerned about?

Maybe the situation could be rectified by, as Toni says, replacing a couple of hard court tournaments with clay ones.

In order for this to be fair they would have to be post US Open - Shanghai and Bercy for example. The current hard court schedule is split in two so why should clay get a straight run of tournaments all within 45 mins flying time from each other just for the benefit of clay court specialists? No, make the players adapt more during the season.In addition, when these couple of tournaments are changed to clay, the remaining hard court tournaments would all need to be sped up - some to early 90s conditions. Not doing that would be inherently unjust to those who aren't clay-court specialists - and the fans who are tiring of the lack of variety shown in the game today compared to the past.


But why should certain players who excel on clay be forced to adapt when hc specialsts don't have to adapt one bit? Just how much adaptation are hardcourters doing? None. It's not even close to being fair,but I don't expect the majority of the folks here to admit that considering Nadal is public enemy number one around here.

rocketassist 11-29-2012 02:23 PM

Toni has no business moaning at the powers that be or blaming them for Nadal's lack of a YEC as they have slowed enough courts down for him to win a career slam.

Carsomyr 11-29-2012 02:27 PM

I found this passage way more interesting:

Quote:

Roger Federer and Andy Murray ask more blood controls to make sure that tennis is clean:” I follow what the chiefs of ATP decide. I’m fine because Rafa is clean, it’s impossible to dope in tennis. If ATP thinks that is right to increase anti- doping controls, do what they think it’s better. It’s true that there was the case of Mariano Puerta, but since then no top tennis player has ever doped, I think that they are all clean. It’s hard to dope.”
I'm not sure what his aim was with this. Clearly, players have and are doping after Puerta (Odesnik).

Bobby Jr 11-29-2012 02:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Clarky21 (Post 7038610)
But why should certain players who excel on clay be forced to adapt when hc specialsts don't have to adapt one bit? Just how much adaptation are hardcourters doing? None. It's not even close to being fair,but I don't expect the majority of the folks here to admit that considering Nadal is public enemy number one around here.

Hard court players do have to adapt - a lot. They have to go from the super slow hard courts in Aussie to the faster US swing, then to a combination of clay and grass for 3 months, then back to hard courts.

How that doesn't require adapting I don't know.

If clay wants more of the pie, should have their season split similarly - as I suggested. Putting them all in a row would achieve little positive - but would increase the incidence of Thomas Muster-style players who sneakily accumulated the vast majorty of their points on their favourite surface and then put stuff-all effort in elsewhere.

I agree that there should be more variety - including some more clay court tournaments - but it wont come by making swapping Indian Wells and Miami into clay court events... That will make the problem worse - more players will be more worn out by the time the French Open comes around if you add more clay court tournaments before it.

A possible solution could be to make one of the hard court masters into a 500 event and add a clay court tournament of the same level elsewhere the same week.

Clarky21 11-29-2012 03:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bobby Jr (Post 7038635)
Hard court players do have to adapt - a lot. They have to go from the super slow hard courts in Aussie to the faster US swing, then to a combination of clay and grass for 3 months, then back to hard courts.

How that doesn't require adapting I don't know
.

If clay wants more of the pie, should have their season split similarly - as I suggested. Putting them all in a row would achieve little positive - but would increase the incidence of Thomas Muster-style players who sneakily accumulated the vast majorty of their points on their favourite surface and then put stuff-all effort in elsewhere.

I agree that there should be more variety - including some more clay court tournaments - but it wont come by making swapping Indian Wells and Miami into clay court events... That will make the problem worse - more players will be more worn out by the time the French Open comes around if you add more clay court tournaments before it.

A possible solution could be to make one of the hard court masters into a 500 event and add a clay court tournament of the same level elsewhere the same week.


I don't agree. It's much easier to adapt as a hardcourter to even more hardcourts,even if one is slightly slower than the other. Player's whose best surface is clay or grass have to adapt much more than a player whose best surface is hardcourt since the tour is something like 70% hardcourts. No matter how slow or fast they are,a hardcourter doesn't have to adapt nearly as much as a claycourter or grasscourter has to.

I would like to see less hardcourt masters,or at least don't make them all mandatory. And add a grass masters in there as well. The grasscourt season is merely a blip on the radar these days.

Goosehead 11-29-2012 03:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Crisstti (Post 7038515)
Exactly. It's hard for a lot of people (Nadal haters) here, but the surface distribution is obviously not fair (and good on Toni for saying it).

surface distribution isnt fair ??..3 masters 1 major on clay, o masters 1 major on grass..'uncle toni' should moan about not enough grass tourneys...

for a couple of years in the mid 1970s there were 2 majors on grass, 2 majors on clay...rafa/**** & 'uncle toni' would approve.

zebedee 11-29-2012 03:34 PM

To some extent what he says makes sense generally. Constant hard court tennis leads to injury, certainly at pro level. Grass and clay are far more forgiving surfaces and it's an intelligent choice to favour those surfaces which cause least damage to the body.

vive le beau jeu ! 11-29-2012 04:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cork_screw (Post 7038431)
http://www.tennisworldusa.org/Toni-N...icolo7169.html


”If it was up to us we would play always on clay but its not something possible. Of the four Slam tournaments, two are on hard court. The Master 1000 are play almost all on hard court. It’s complicated to change the rules. There’s nothing to do. The only thing we can do is competing on fast surfaces. Then usually we have 3 Masters on clay, last year just two…


He kinda wants the entire ATP body to re-shape it's structure based on his nephew. Does he need an all advantage Rafa schedule, kinda absurd. I don't know why he's asking for some GS and more Masters to be converted over to clay.

Couple of things, Rafa was injured because of his style of play NOT primarily based on the schedule or the surfaces. And you have seen him change it because he himself has identified it to be a problem, that's why you see rafa slicing the ball more on his backhand side than in the past and he's not hustling for every single ball like he did a few years ago. But I don't like how his uncle/coach has now created some type of argument where he wants this dream like situation where his "guy" benefits greatly while really ignoring the basis for the entire tennis body and all its players. To me, it's like the Casino. It's not enough that they are taking in 95% profit, but now they're trying to shimmy the percentage to 98% in their favor. Rafa is pretty dominate, I don't think we need more clay events. I do think we have enough as it is. I would actually like to see an extended grass season and really enjoy watching Gerry Webber and AEGON. But to add peace to all fans, I think it would do a great service if the media would just filter out the non players. I don't think anyone is a fan of listening/seeing Sharapova's dad death stare, seeing andy murray's mother's fist pumps, or Toni Nadal rant.

... unfair conditions ? again this crap ?



ok toni, please put your nephew in the trunk (with a racquet and a banana), get in, enter 1995 as a target date, fasten your seat belt, drive 'till you reach 88 mph... and enjoy the rusty peak injured golden bull getting teared into steak tartare pieces by the field.

or better, select late cretaceous and see if his disgusting heavy topspin can bother the backhand of the T-rex... unfair, you said ?


Razoredge 11-29-2012 04:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by vive le beau jeu ! (Post 7038769)
... unfair conditions ? again this crap ?



ok toni, please put your nephew in the trunk (with a racquet and a banana), get in, enter 1995 as a target date, fasten your seat belt, drive 'till you reach 88 mph... and enjoy the rusty peak injured golden bull getting teared into steak tartare pieces by the field.

or better, select late cretaceous and see if his disgusting heavy topspin can bother the backhand of the T-rex... unfair, you said ?


Nadal would absolutely murder everyone on clay in the 90s.

Pete Sampras would get his shyt teared apart worse than Federer did. 6-2 6-1 6-0.


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