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thejackal 12-03-2012 11:35 AM

two 4.5s play a tiebreak against a current ATP pro...what's the score?
 
If the pro didnt have the alleys but each side serves like in a normal tiebreak?

thejackal 12-03-2012 11:38 AM

Paging fpeliwo....

woodrow1029 12-03-2012 11:39 AM

My guess is 7-0 (7-1 if the pro double faults once).

fpeliwo 12-03-2012 11:44 AM

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Originally Posted by woodrow1029 (Post 7044715)
My guess is 7-0 (7-1 if the pro double faults once).

Haha I like this guy

papertank 12-03-2012 11:53 AM

90% of the time I'm guessing it'd go 7-0, the 4.5's would not be able to read the pros serve and the pro would be able to destroy the 4.5's off the return. Any points that went beyond the serve/return would still heavily favor the pro.

kishnabe 12-03-2012 11:54 AM

7-1.........ATP Pro might overcook one shot.

thejackal....did you ever play a tiebreak against Peliwo.....maybe that would answer the question?

I played with a german professional ranked in the 300's this summer, who trounced me 6-1. That one game....was the opening game where he made 3 consecutive dbl faults and a point where nailed his body at the net.

So you can get lucky against a tennis professional.......though 99 percent of the time it a waste of a time for that player.

mikeler 12-03-2012 11:54 AM

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Originally Posted by fpeliwo (Post 7044718)
Haha I like this guy

You better, he might be umpiring a match of yours one day. :)

thejackal 12-03-2012 11:56 AM

no pressure then.



"I'm coming feur you, Ricky Beubby"

thejackal 12-03-2012 11:56 AM

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Originally Posted by kishnabe (Post 7044729)
7-1.........ATP Pro might overcook one shot.

thejackal....did you ever play a tiebreak against Peliwo.....maybe that would answer the question?

exactly why I started their thread. a film crew is going to document for you guys to see in a couple of wks

woodrow1029 12-03-2012 11:58 AM

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Originally Posted by fpeliwo (Post 7044718)
Haha I like this guy

:-) I may have been a chair umpire for some of your matches in the past.

Edit: Just saw Mikeler's response. :-)

Hood_Man 12-03-2012 12:33 PM

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Originally Posted by kishnabe (Post 7044729)
7-1.........ATP Pro might overcook one shot.

thejackal....did you ever play a tiebreak against Peliwo.....maybe that would answer the question?

I played with a german professional ranked in the 300's this summer, who trounced me 6-1. That one game....was the opening game where he made 3 consecutive dbl faults and a point where nailed his body at the net.

So you can get lucky against a tennis professional.......though 99 percent of the time it a waste of a time for that player.

Was there a small part of you that thought "Woah, I might do this??" :)

fpeliwo 12-03-2012 12:40 PM

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Originally Posted by woodrow1029 (Post 7044740)
:-) I may have been a chair umpire for some of your matches in the past.

Edit: Just saw Mikeler's response. :-)

Id probably recognize you if I saw you, in that case

psYcon 12-03-2012 12:44 PM

To be honest it depends on the serves of the 4.5 guys. My lefty first serve can easily hit 110mph and I have timed it as well on radar. If I can land one of those and my other 4.5 partner is at the net waiting to put away the return shot, then I think we can get a decent enough score on the tie-break.

axel89 12-03-2012 12:44 PM

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Originally Posted by mikeler (Post 7044731)
You better, he might be umpiring a match of yours one day. :)

nice one mikeler i thought woodrow retired though?

dominikk1985 12-03-2012 12:45 PM

the pros win every point because placement doesn't play a role when the difference in skill is too high. even when the ball is directly hit at the 4.5s they still couldn't handle the pro ball because it is too hard and heavy. and on top of that they wouldn't even get into the points as they couldn't handle their serves and returns.

below 5.0 the better singles players will nearly always win a double because ability to hit and tolerate shots of the opponent trumps tactics.

only at the higher levels strategy starts to play a bigger role.

dominikk1985 12-03-2012 12:48 PM

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Originally Posted by psYcon (Post 7044804)
To be honest it depends on the serves of the 4.5 guys. My lefty first serve can easily hit 110mph and I have timed it as well on radar. If I can land one of those and my other 4.5 partner is at the net waiting to put away the return shot, then I think we can get a decent enough score on the tie-break.

110 is a very good serve for a 4.5 (even a lot of 5.0s don't reach that) but still you are not going to put away an ATP return against such a serve. 110 is a WTA serve. that is batting practice for ATP players. they will not rip a winner every time (but often:)) but if they are not they will still deliver a low and sharp return that the 4.5 volleyer cannot handle.

axel89 12-03-2012 12:53 PM

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Originally Posted by dominikk1985 (Post 7044814)
110 is a very good serve for a 4.5 (even a lot of 5.0s don't reach that) but still you are not going to put away an ATP return against such a serve. 110 is a WTA serve. that is batting practice for ATP players. they will not rip a winner every time (but often:)) but if they are not they will still deliver a low and sharp return that the 4.5 volleyer cannot handle.

david ferrer often serves 110 mph on his 1st and fed or any other player rarely maybe 3% of the time hit a winner of it

woodrow1029 12-03-2012 12:57 PM

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Originally Posted by axel89 (Post 7044805)
nice one mikeler i thought woodrow retired though?

I don't work any WTA or ATP tournaments anymore, but I may still make the occasional appearance at a futures or challenger.

Devilito 12-03-2012 01:05 PM

This “pros are gods” mantra needs to stop. I’ve played pros and seen plenty of pros play solid amateurs. The only guarantee is who wins, not the score. Plenty of pros lose return games by launching a couple returns long and making a couple sloppy errors. When a good player knows they’re going to win, they often drop sloppy games due to trying new things, using those games to warm-up because they didn’t warm-up prior or just not caring enough to fight over certain points. A solid 5.0 with a good serve holding a game against someone ranked in the top 500 wouldn’t surprise me at all. There are too many x-factors in tennis to always say a pro is going to win 6-0 6-0 or never lose a point etc.

pvaudio 12-03-2012 01:37 PM

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Originally Posted by psYcon (Post 7044804)
To be honest it depends on the serves of the 4.5 guys. My lefty first serve can easily hit 110mph and I have timed it as well on radar. If I can land one of those and my other 4.5 partner is at the net waiting to put away the return shot, then I think we can get a decent enough score on the tie-break.

If a pro can read and make an aggressive return on a 130mph pro serve, what on earth do you possibly think your 110mph serve would do? You realize that it is NOT about speed. It is about reading the serve. It is impossible to return a 120mph serve pretty much anywhere at the sides of the box without knowing it's going there first. Even if you do know that, you still have to make clean contact. You ever watch Federer serve on the deuce court? His wide serve is likely the most feared of all of his serves. Why? It's nearly impossible to read, and has so much spin that even if you read it, it's moving away from you so quickly that he's already prepared to put away the return. That's against other top pros. That serve rarely tops 110mph.


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