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Playtennis 12-06-2012 11:03 AM

Expected result?
 
Anyone know these two expected?
3.5 and 4.0 ( high 3.5 mid 4.0) play against two high 4.0? Just curious. Thx. Should it be 0-0?

blakesq 12-06-2012 11:08 AM

No. It should be 6-1; 6-0.

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Originally Posted by Playtennis (Post 7049839)
Anyone know these two expected?
3.5 and 4.0 ( high 3.5 mid 4.0) play against two high 4.0? Just curious. Thx. Should it be 0-0?


mikeler 12-06-2012 11:10 AM

I'd expect a 3 and 2 result.

Playtennis 12-06-2012 11:34 AM

We won 1 ad 1 an then 0/3 and i thought they got more games than they should have. Maybe they did better than i think. Im the winning team.

schmke 12-06-2012 12:29 PM

My algorithm would put it somewhere around 3 and 2 as well, although there is some room for judgement with the "high" and "mid" definitions so it could vary some. I'm interpreting high 4.0 to be 3.95, mid 4.0 to be 3.75, and high 3.5 to be 3.45.

The scores would seem to indicate that the competition wasn't as strong as you thought (or my interpretation of your high/mid is off), or it is just one of those things where you and your partner matched up well and performed better than expected against the opponents.

Using Dynamic NTRPs to identify expected results will give you an idea of what might/should happen, but the dynamics of any given match and specific strengths/weaknesses amongst the participants and how they match up can result in natural variance both better and worse than expected by several games or more. In the Estimated Dynamic NTRP reports I do, I regularly see best to worst match ratings vary by 0.4 to 0.5 and even more in some cases.

LeeD 12-06-2012 12:39 PM

Depends how well the lower team works together, how much doubles experience they have, compared to how well the two high level 4.0's play together and how much experience they have in doubles.
The high 3.5 doubles specialist with his normal best partner would beat two 4.0 singles player who avoided doubles most of their years, and only goofed around when 3 other players are on the court.
A top 4.0 doubles team would infinite bagel a singles 3.5 and 4.0 player.

Playtennis 12-06-2012 03:28 PM

Ok thanks! For future info is there a way to see expected results? Any info anywhere? Understanding that its not absolute...

LeeD 12-06-2012 03:42 PM

You guys completely missed the boat, either your heads are buried in sand, or you don't play any real tennis.
NTRP level has little to do with doubles success, unless you match two 5.5's against either of the above teams.
Real world doubles experience, knowing how to play the game and knowing how your partner will complement your strokes, that's how the winning team plays Two singles 4.0 would lose every time.

axel89 12-06-2012 03:50 PM

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Originally Posted by LeeD (Post 7050336)
You guys completely missed the boat, either your heads are buried in sand, or you don't play any real tennis.
NTRP level has little to do with doubles success, unless you match two 5.5's against either of the above teams.
Real world doubles experience, knowing how to play the game and knowing how your partner will complement your strokes, that's how the winning team plays Two singles 4.0 would lose every time.

leed nice posting
also where do you live you said you were homeless?
sorry if this is off topic

schmke 12-06-2012 03:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Playtennis (Post 7050309)
Ok thanks! For future info is there a way to see expected results? Any info anywhere? Understanding that its not absolute...

Nope. The USTA does not publish ratings any finer than the half-point NTRP levels nor offer a way to lookup expected results between two players.

Now, my Estimated Dynamic NTRP could be used to calculate such expected results, but I'm not (yet) in a position to offer this for any match between any players on a regular basis. But contact me (computerratings@techrunning.com) and perhaps we can work something out for a specific match up.

LeeD 12-06-2012 03:55 PM

I know it sounds harsh, but anyone who plays doubles knows it's the TEAM that wins, not individuals hitting big shots.
I'm living in SanPablo now, next to Richmond and ElSobrante, 5 miles N of Berkeley.
As for homeless, I'm one step from..... currently living with a g/f at her house. My van is my safety net.
I play noon tennis at RoseGarden mostly, and lately some earlier at SanPabloPark in Berkeley.
Always looking for good player's to hit with, but currently have ankle and knee problems so I seldom play singles.

LeeD 12-06-2012 03:57 PM

Geez, if calculating works even close, WHY BOTHER TO PLAY THE GAME?
I've been in instances where two 5.0 lost to two 4.5's. From both ends...back in the past.

TheCheese 12-06-2012 04:51 PM

It totally depends on how the partner's games work together. Doubles is about a team vs a team, singles skill is not the deciding factor.

Do you think Federer and Nadal would beat the bryan bros in a doubles match?


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