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Mainad 12-10-2012 07:37 AM

Best player never to make a Slam final?
 
IMO, it has to be Tim Henman.

Made 6 semi-finals altogether: 4 at Wimbledon (1998, 1999, 2001, 2002), 1 at the French Open (2004) and 1 at the US Open (2004).

Am open to suggestions though. Has anyone been in more Slam semis than Tim but failed to make a final?

Gonzo_style 12-10-2012 08:06 AM

IMO it's Nikolay Davydenko

SStrikerR 12-10-2012 08:08 AM

Has haas been in one?

Gonzo_style 12-10-2012 08:12 AM

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Originally Posted by SStrikerR (Post 7055903)
Has haas been in one?

No, but he was world #2, better than Davy and Henman

President 12-10-2012 08:17 AM

Davydenko, he was in the top 5 for many years, won several Masters and even a WTF.

tacou 12-10-2012 08:17 AM

All three are good nods but that is a wide open category, I'm sure there are plenty of players I can't think of that fit the bill.

But on form Davy earned the nickname "the machine" for good reason, so he gets my nod

Gonzo_style 12-10-2012 08:26 AM

Davydenko deserved to play final in RG 2005, it is a real shame...

augustobt 12-10-2012 09:30 AM

Haas. Gonzalez was too good for the german back in the OZ '07.

McEnroeisanartist 12-10-2012 09:33 AM

I don't know how it could be anyone but Tim Henman. He reached 6 grand slam semifinals. This is the most of any player who never reached a grand slam final.

batz 12-10-2012 09:41 AM

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Originally Posted by McEnroeisanartist (Post 7056003)
I don't know how it could be anyone but Tim Henman. He reached 6 grand slam semifinals. This is the most of any player who never reached a grand slam final.

On 3 surfaces to boot. It's Tim for me.

Phoenix1983 12-10-2012 10:09 AM

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Originally Posted by McEnroeisanartist (Post 7056003)
I don't know how it could be anyone but Tim Henman. He reached 6 grand slam semifinals. This is the most of any player who never reached a grand slam final.

I agree, it's definitely Henman. I still remember how agonisingly close he was to reaching the 2001 W final - he won the 3rd set 6-0 against Ivanisevic to go 2-1 sets up and was wiping the floor with him. Then of course, the rain set in for two days, and Goran squeaked through to the final (4th set went to a tie-break where Tim was 2 or 3 points from winning the match).

By the way, the previous record for most semis without being in a final was held by Jiro Satoh, a Japanese player from the 1930s, who reached five.

heftylefty 12-10-2012 10:30 AM

Tim Henman is a great choice.
I would include Tommy Haas.

The Bawss 12-10-2012 10:33 AM

I know it's been said but it's Tim Henman by a country mile.

whoopinstick 12-10-2012 10:36 AM

Marcelo Rios...end of thread

President 12-10-2012 10:38 AM

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Originally Posted by The Bawss (Post 7056111)
I know it's been said but it's Tim Henman by a country mile.

How on earth do you come to that conclusion? Henman has 6 GS SF which is very good, but only 1 Masters title (and in Paris, at that). Davydenko has 3 Masters. Henman has 11 titles, Davydenko has 21. Davydenko made 4 GS semis, losing to Federer in 3 of them and a doper (Puerta) in the other one. To top it all off, Davydenko has a WTF title which outstrips anything Henman ever did in his career.

Phoenix1983 12-10-2012 10:51 AM

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Originally Posted by whoopinstick (Post 7056121)
Marcelo Rios...end of thread

Er.....1998 AO final?

tennis_pro 12-10-2012 10:55 AM

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Originally Posted by whoopinstick (Post 7056121)
Marcelo Rios...end of thread

Rios played in the 98 AO final. Rios would be a great candidate for "best player to only go once past the quarterfinal stage in a major"

single_handed_champion 12-10-2012 11:01 AM

Its hard to believe Davydenko made only 4 semis. It seemed like he was in the top 4 forever during the Federer era. Just really consistent all year long (his suckage on grass is a major knock though) but his best form was usually not enough to do it in a best-of-5 format match after match.

Henman it is.

Incidentally, Nalbandian's lone final came when nobody expected it. Failing to make one after that ought to rank up there even in this thread.

Mustard 12-10-2012 11:13 AM

Raul Ramirez is a contender. He won tournaments like Monte Carlo and Rome on clay, Queen's Club on grass and Wembley on carpet. He was a 2-time semi finalist at the French Open, a semi finalist at Wimbledon and a quarter finalist at the US Open. He never played at the Australian Open.

Mainad 12-10-2012 02:06 PM

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Originally Posted by President (Post 7056123)
How on earth do you come to that conclusion? Henman has 6 GS SF which is very good, but only 1 Masters title (and in Paris, at that). Davydenko has 3 Masters. Henman has 11 titles, Davydenko has 21. Davydenko made 4 GS semis, losing to Federer in 3 of them and a doper (Puerta) in the other one. To top it all off, Davydenko has a WTF title which outstrips anything Henman ever did in his career.

I agree with you that Davydenko was the better overall player. His results in non-Slam tournaments were far superior and he achieved a higher ranking than Henman.

But in Slams, Henman clearly has the advantage. 6 semi-finals beats 4. That is why I think Henman has to be called the best player never to reach a final simply because he was a semi-finalist in Slams more times than anybody else.


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