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Jackuar 12-28-2012 09:36 PM

Is it the real prime or drug prime?
 
For one, I wish the silent ban on Nadal is not true.

But if it were / or even if not, but still, Nadal/Fed/Djoker had racked up those titles not in their physical prime but in a drug-enhanced-young days, it would really be to the detriment of the sport.

Already, I see increasing posts here that say every slugfest out there is a drug boosted affair. If Murray/DelPo happens to have his year in 2013, would we say now its their turn to cheat?

Eventually, every future star will be accused of the same, whether or not its true and it becomes a cycle. Every 4 years, a new guy gets his turn to cheat?

Tennis as a sport will die in that case.

I say, instead of a silent ban, reveal the dopers right away and take the steps. Cycling federation was brave to admit that their biggest star doped. ITF/ATP should do the same. Whoever it is - Nadal / Djoker / Federer / Whoever. I am a Fed fan, but if he is found to be guilty, he should serve the penalty. Nadal likewise. Anybody else likewise. Unless that happens, I can close my eyes and say every next generation start is a doper and it would be true in 90% of the cases because the stakes are too high and the gains are too large to ignore.

What are your thoughts people?

P.S: This is not a top 4 specific topic, but as the sport in general. Don't make this a **** thread, please.

dyldore 12-28-2012 09:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Jackuar (Post 7084616)
For one, I wish the silent ban on Nadal is not true.

But if it were / or even if not, but still, Nadal/Fed/Djoker had racked up those titles not in their physical prime but in a drug-enhanced-young days, it would really be to the detriment of the sport.

Already, I see increasing posts here that say every slugfest out there is a drug boosted affair. If Murray/DelPo happens to have his year in 2013, would we say now its their turn to cheat?

Eventually, every future star will be accused of the same, whether or not its true and it becomes a cycle. Every 4 years, a new guy gets his turn to cheat?

Tennis as a sport will die in that case.

I say, instead of a silent ban, reveal the dopers right away and take the steps. Cycling federation was brave to admit that their biggest star doped. ITF/ATP should do the same. Whoever it is - Nadal / Djoker / Federer / Whoever. I am a Fed fan, but if he is found to be guilty, he should serve the penalty. Nadal likewise. Anybody else likewise. Unless that happens, I can close my eyes and say every next generation start is a doper and it would be true in 90% of the cases because the stakes are too high and the gains are too large to ignore.

What are your thoughts people?

P.S: This is not a top 4 specific topic, but as the sport in general. Don't make this a **** thread, please.

All bans/suspensions are public, or are supposed to be. I don't know where anyone got the idea that "silent" suspensions exist. I'm honestly asking...someone show me where you found out that these exist. Not a forum post or an article on some obscure website. Something from WADA or the ATP or the WTA or something...

big ted 12-28-2012 09:45 PM

i dont know why so many people think the top players are doping just because they can play long 5 set matches. they have the worlds best nutritionests, coaches, physical trainers, massage therapists, equipment, etc... and they are still getting injured for overplaying by the end of the year. doesnt djokovic have the luxury of sleeping in a egg chamber? if anyone is doping it is probably a lower ranked player who cant afford all of this and doesnt have the talent that these have and is just trying to survive imo...

Jackuar 12-28-2012 09:45 PM

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Originally Posted by dyldore (Post 7084624)
All bans/suspensions are public, or are supposed to be. I don't know where anyone got the idea that "silent" suspensions exist. I'm honestly asking...someone show me where you found out that these exist. Not a forum post or an article on some obscure website. Something from WADA or the ATP or the WTA or something...

You cannot get one from these sources... That's the point of being silent... Right?

cc0509 12-28-2012 09:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dyldore (Post 7084624)
All bans/suspensions are public, or are supposed to be. I don't know where anyone got the idea that "silent" suspensions exist. I'm honestly asking...someone show me where you found out that these exist. Not a forum post or an article on some obscure website. Something from WADA or the ATP or the WTA or something...

Read this, which cites sections from the actual WADA code:

http://tennishasasteroidproblem.blog...ive-tests.html

Jackuar 12-28-2012 09:50 PM

Thanks cc0509.. I was looking for that link exactly...

cc0509 12-28-2012 09:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Jackuar (Post 7084638)
Thanks cc0509.. I was looking for that link exactly...

No problem. :)

Jackuar 12-28-2012 10:06 PM

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Originally Posted by big ted (Post 7084629)
if anyone is doping it is probably a lower ranked player who cant afford all of this and doesnt have the talent that these have and is just trying to survive imo...


Yeah, the 51st ranked played at the end of 2004 who shot to No.5 in 6 months and won his first FO.. And had to continue to dope to justify his run and mask himself...

For me, Djoker's 2011 run and Nadal's 2005 are suspects... Because they're so drastic and dramatic... As I say, I only wish these weren't true. But if it were, every other dream run in the future will raise questions... If Murray gets 3 this year, I don't know how many will attribute it to him really...


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