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tennisfan2k 01-07-2013 10:16 AM

how hard do you hit the ball in real matches?
 
I always try to hit 100%, and since now I have a ball machine, I was trying 100% with it. But in real matches so many unforced errors. And at times I did hit my target, I often either didn't move or slow to recover causing me to lose points. How hard do you guys hit the ball during matches?

slowfox 01-07-2013 10:33 AM

For me it varies. In matches it's not as casual as practice rallying, but I up it a bit. Rarely do I hit hard at 100%. Match play is usually 60 to 80% for me. Probably why I lose so often.. haha

IA-SteveB 01-07-2013 10:37 AM

I can't go near 100% in a match. The only time I do is when I am hopelessly down and it doesn't matter. Occasionally, I just want to see if I can keep the ball in play with a big swing but the percentages are NOT good. :) I have enough unforced errors that I don't need to give any more points away by overdoing it.

Rafa4Ever 01-07-2013 11:35 AM

Why hit any different then in practice? If you practice at a certain pace then you should play at the pace. Changing your pace to something you aren't used to normally leads to inconsistencies.

tennisfan2k 01-07-2013 11:58 AM

I feel the same way too. When it's time to hold back, I either hold back too much or make a mistake. Maybe should practice to just hit 80-90%.

Power Player 01-07-2013 12:07 PM

100% is really hard for matchplay. I would try and hit 70% as much as possible. You should be able to get a lot of pace with just 70%, and it will give you more control.

If you come out and hit that hard, you give away the match. I'd just slice you and save my energy and watch the UE's pile up personally.

If you are timing the ball right, you will be cracking the ball pretty hard and staying in that 70-80% range. Your UE's will also go down as well.

Head Pegger 01-07-2013 01:04 PM

impossible to hit 100% during matches all the time.
impossible to consciously hit any certain % in a match
I hit some shots slower than others ofcourse. Some high topspin
some flat. some slower for short angle etc.

10isfreak 01-07-2013 01:07 PM

Depends on my footwork and preparation... if I am well placed, I do not see why I wouldn‘t hit big. It would be stupid not to do so, actually. The difference is that I might spend more energy getting top spin than pace if I do not have a good occasion, but I won‘t slow down on the hitting. I would be careful if I wasn‘t perfectly balanced or if I was forced to lunge...

Usually, you always hit as good a shot as your body allows. If you get caught poorly placed, you can‘t hit as big a shot as normally. If you are well placed, always go for a good cut. At least 80 percent or more.

Power Player 01-07-2013 01:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Head Pegger (Post 7104049)
impossible to hit 100% during matches all the time.
impossible to consciously hit any certain % in a match
I hit some shots slower than others ofcourse. Some high topspin
some flat. some slower for short angle etc.

Of course it's impossible to hit a certain %. But there is no ideal way to describe it.

tlm 01-07-2013 01:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Power Player (Post 7103902)
100% is really hard for matchplay. I would try and hit 70% as much as possible. You should be able to get a lot of pace with just 70%, and it will give you more control.

If you come out and hit that hard, you give away the match. I'd just slice you and save my energy and watch the UE's pile up personally.

If you are timing the ball right, you will be cracking the ball pretty hard and staying in that 70-80% range. Your UE's will also go down as well.

This is the right advise, 70-80% is just about right. I have won a lot of matches using PP tactics against young all out gunslinger type players. Keep the ball in the court move them around some and mix up the spins, most of the time they will give you the match without a lot work on your part.

tlm 01-07-2013 01:38 PM

I don't think a lot of people are really thinking when they say 100%. That means as hard as you can swing. Who in their right mind is going to swing as hard as they can on every shot in a match that they want to win?

I think I have seen more problems with players being afraid to swing around 70% or so in a match because of the fear of to many UE's. This can be almost as bad as swinging for the fences.

luishcorreia 01-07-2013 01:39 PM

What is hitting at 100%? If you are at the baseline its one thing. If you are in mid court hitting an approach shot you cannot hit with so much power since the ball has less distance to travel before touching the court. How about a volley?

See where I am getting at?

Being aggressive with your shots can mean hit hard. It can also mean hit early. Or hit with placement. Or behind your adversary. If you hit at 100% all the time you wont be able to control the ball or your percentages. In tennis you only have to beat one opponent at a time. Meaning that you only need to be as good as your opponent. So in a given match if you feel your adversary feeds off your pace maybe you will better off playing at 60% and with that you lower your unforced errors.

So... Dont think of 100% or any type of percentage. You should always play as hard as you need to win and to control the ball.

Hi I'm Ray 01-07-2013 01:40 PM

Geez, that sounds like my previous hitting partner who's supposed to be a college level player but tries to play 100% all the time. For a while it was good practice hitting against a fast hitter again as I was only playing pushers for a while but then his game started going down the toilet. It gets annoying watching the guy attempt to hit a DTL winner on the dead run with a 80-90% UE/failure rate. He doesn't know when to defend or how to play within his limits and lately it doesn't even feel like tennis with this guy.

Anyways, 100%/self destructive tennis isn't the way, try practicing at 70-80%. Getting regular practice with pushers/defenders/retrievers/slice&dice players, etc., will help improve your consistency & point construction, IMO.

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Originally Posted by Power Player (Post 7103902)
If you come out and hit that hard, you give away the match. I'd just slice you and save my energy and watch the UE's pile up personally..

^^Haha, that works. I did just that the last time I played the guy I mentioned - hit him a bunch of BH slices & he couldn't really do anything against it. He gets ****ed off & complains about it. lol.

WildVolley 01-07-2013 01:58 PM

I rarely hit 100% on any shot except some first serves. I interpret hitting 100% to mean as hard as I possibly can.

On the other hand, I have been spending years drilling nice high racket head speed topspin fh and bh shots. The fast swing is crucial to imparting enough topspin to keep the ball in the court. If you don't take the cut at the ball, your consistency will go down. But make sure that the cut is balanced and not as hard as you can possibly hit. The more athletic you are, the easier this will be. I'd say shoot for 70% up on the average rally ball.

psv255 01-07-2013 02:41 PM

If you're stubborn in your gameplan, it might take 10 matches against a pusher to realize 100% is just not a winning framework for a strategy. No one is stopping you from going for it once or twice if you are fairly confident, but it's always best to play safely within your ability in a match situation.

Practice should ideally be the time you raise and identify your 100% mark; the fact that you are successfully and consistently going 100% in match play means one of three things:

1. It's actually not 100% of your ability
2. You're in "the zone" that many a player have long sought
3. You are a master of mental and technical fortitude; teach me your ways...

5263 01-07-2013 03:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by psv255 (Post 7104308)

Practice should ideally be the time you raise and identify your 100% mark; the fact that you are successfully and consistently going 100% in match play means one of three things:

1. It's actually not 100% of your ability

You make some excellent points here. I don't know really what folks mean by
100%. For me it would mean max swing without sacrificing form.
Anyway, I try to look at it like serving where I seek to keep the rhs up all the
time (except exceptions) and just adjust how much spin I intend to impart.
Sometimes I may swing a tad harder on second serve spin than even the flat
first serve... Same with Fh.

TheCheese 01-07-2013 03:32 PM

As hard as you feel comfortable on that particular shot. If you're set up perfectly, then you can justify going for a big shot. If you're not, don't try it.

I don't think setting a target level of your maximum power to hit with is a good idea. It's all situational.

UCSF2012 01-07-2013 03:50 PM

All it takes is a flick of my wrist, and it's more power than anyone can handle.

sundaypunch 01-07-2013 04:39 PM

If you hit with heavy topspin it is a bit safer to hit really hard. If you have an eastern FH and hit fairly flat, it is a recipe for disaster.

LeeD 01-07-2013 04:42 PM

It's situational for me.
Rally balls, just to stay in the point, I like to hit about 5/8th speed.
Winner attempts, you can go for placement, which is hit slower, or you can go for ball speed winners, which is close to 95% maximum speed.
Defense, it's often better to hit half speed balls, floaters and a mix of spins.
But that depends how well you opponent can handle to soft stuff compared to how well he can handle the ball speeds.


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