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beernutz 01-09-2013 10:17 AM

40 and over lines by region
 
I'm in Alabama and played in a 40 and over league in Fall 2012 where we played 2 singles and 3 doubles but I was talking to my brother who lives in Atlanta and who was also playing on a 40 and over that Fall and they played 1 singles and 4 doubles. The USTA page http://www.usta.com/Play-Tennis/USTA...gue_offerings/ shows that the structure for >40 is 2 and 3 as well, so is Atlanta just doing their own thing with regards to the line splits?

Edit: the title should read 'by state' since we are both in the Southern region.

goober 01-09-2013 01:04 PM

Some are doing 1 singles 2 doubles for regular season. All playoffs though will be 2 singles 3 doubles.

beernutz 01-09-2013 01:54 PM

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Originally Posted by goober (Post 7108156)
Some are doing 1 singles 2 doubles for regular season. All playoffs though will be 2 singles 3 doubles.

Thanks goober.

OrangePower 01-09-2013 03:34 PM

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Originally Posted by goober (Post 7108156)
Some are doing 1 singles 2 doubles for regular season. All playoffs though will be 2 singles 3 doubles.

Yup.

NorCal doing 1 singles 2 doubles for regular season.

Playoffs are 2 singles 3 doubles.

Stoooopid beyond belief.

Teams need a large enough roster to field 2 / 3 in playoffs, but can only play 5 people per match. And not that many matches in the season. So impossible to get everyone good playing time.

bruintennis 01-09-2013 08:28 PM

Southern Cal is doing 2 singles, 3 doubles.

wrxinsc 01-10-2013 03:59 AM

yeah - the variance from national is a district or area decision probably. our's plays the normal 2 + 3. sections (regions) probably all play the standard format as they lead into nationals.

dizzlmcwizzl 01-10-2013 04:53 AM

Atlanta USTA 40+ is doing 1 singles, 4 doubles

Norcal and Inter mountain (Colorado) are both doing 1 singles and 2 doubles.

I was looking for other sections with unique stuff but only looked at the first page of google results.

mikeler 01-10-2013 05:23 AM

I'm hearing rumors that at 4.5, 40+ you can have two 5.0s on your team but they have to play at line 1 singles and line 1 doubles.

wrxinsc 01-10-2013 05:49 AM

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Originally Posted by mikeler (Post 7109405)
I'm hearing rumors that at 4.5, 40+ you can have two 5.0s on your team but they have to play at line 1 singles and line 1 doubles.

it is not a rumor, that is the rule at national. the league is now called 40+ 4.5+.

two 5.0 players allowed on the team and they can both play in a match but must be at #1 position (singles or dubs) for national this league plays the traditional 2 + 3

there is also a 18+ 5.0+ league allowing two 5.5 on the team but only one can play in a match and must be at #1 position. for national this league plays the 1 + 2

mikeler 01-10-2013 06:29 AM

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Originally Posted by wrxinsc (Post 7109436)
it is not a rumor, that is the rule at national. the league is now called 40+ 4.5+.

two 5.0 players allowed on the team and they can both play in a match but must be at #1 position (singles or dubs) for national this league plays the traditional 2 + 3

there is also a 18+ 5.0+ league allowing two 5.5 on the team but only one can play in a match and must be at #1 position. for national this league plays the 1 + 2

I think that is a good change.

wrxinsc 01-10-2013 07:32 AM

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Originally Posted by mikeler (Post 7109466)
I think that is a good change.

yeah me too even though it hasn't been talked about much. we now have some guys in our area that will play league that have been left out for many years. even if our team ends up going straight to states...it's still a good thing. because we have so many private clubs in our area we have an inordinate amount of 5.0+ guys around. :)

this also goes along with the idea of creating more opportunities for folks to play with the overall restructuring.

chatt_town 01-15-2013 03:19 PM

I think we did one and 4 in dalton ga. I ask about the format in chattanooga?

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Originally Posted by beernutz (Post 7107788)
I'm in Alabama and played in a 40 and over league in Fall 2012 where we played 2 singles and 3 doubles but I was talking to my brother who lives in Atlanta and who was also playing on a 40 and over that Fall and they played 1 singles and 4 doubles. The USTA page http://www.usta.com/Play-Tennis/USTA...gue_offerings/ shows that the structure for >40 is 2 and 3 as well, so is Atlanta just doing their own thing with regards to the line splits?

Edit: the title should read 'by state' since we are both in the Southern region.


ronray43 01-17-2013 08:34 AM

Colorado is doing 1 singles and 2 doubles. Of course, no one asked the players what they wanted to do. Since most of the league players are 40+, my bet is the vote would have been 5 lines for 40+ and 3 lines for 18+. But, we weren't asked . . . very typical of USTA.

schmke 01-17-2013 10:18 AM

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Originally Posted by ronray43 (Post 7128976)
Colorado is doing 1 singles and 2 doubles. Of course, no one asked the players what they wanted to do. Since most of the league players are 40+, my bet is the vote would have been 5 lines for 40+ and 3 lines for 18+. But, we weren't asked . . . very typical of USTA.

I'm guessing this is driven, in part at least, by the clubs and facilities.

Adding another league is only going to add team matches, it isn't just a pure split of the prior 18+ league (more players may play, some will play in both leagues) and if both leagues were to use 5 courts, this means USTA league matches are using more courts than past years which reduces court availability for other matches.

At clubs where members expect to be able to book courts and don't just want to see USTA matches using all the courts, particularly on weekends, the clubs/facilities response is to want these matches to use just 3 courts which limits the additional courts they need to set aside for USTA league matches.

Then, while I disagree with this, some might think that 40+ teams will have a harder time fielding singles players so the response is for the 3 court league to be the 40+ one so they only have to field one singles court.

ronray43 01-17-2013 10:59 AM

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Originally Posted by schmke (Post 7129271)
I'm guessing this is driven, in part at least, by the clubs and facilities.

Adding another league is only going to add team matches, it isn't just a pure split of the prior 18+ league (more players may play, some will play in both leagues) and if both leagues were to use 5 courts, this means USTA league matches are using more courts than past years which reduces court availability for other matches.

At clubs where members expect to be able to book courts and don't just want to see USTA matches using all the courts, particularly on weekends, the clubs/facilities response is to want these matches to use just 3 courts which limits the additional courts they need to set aside for USTA league matches.

Then, while I disagree with this, some might think that 40+ teams will have a harder time fielding singles players so the response is for the 3 court league to be the 40+ one so they only have to field one singles court.

Could be true with some clubs. Here in Colorado Springs, we have tons of
40+ singles players who don't want to play doubles. Last year we had more trouble getting singles players to fill out the double lines during the Adult season than anything else. The singles players are also the ones more disappointed with the 3 line format for 40+--many of us were looking forward to two singles lines every week without having to face the young guns.

OrangePower 01-17-2013 04:22 PM

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Originally Posted by schmke (Post 7129271)
Then, while I disagree with this, some might think that 40+ teams will have a harder time fielding singles players so the response is for the 3 court league to be the 40+ one so they only have to field one singles court.

Of course playoffs still have 2 singles lines, so if a shortage of singles players is the problem, limiting to just 1 singles line in the regular season is not the solution.

I imagine it's driven by (perceived) court availability.

Regardless, it's a sucky format since it requires larger rosters for playoffs but limited playing time during the regular season.


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