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smoledman 01-15-2013 10:49 PM

Is Federer's 2009 FO win empty?
 
I'm not going to argue the legitimacy of the win - that's 100%. He beat everyone in front of him including the Nadal slayer in straight sets fairly easily. But we all know that until he beats Nadal at the FO, he will not feel complete.

augustobt 01-15-2013 10:50 PM

He didn't beat everyone that easily... his match against Del Potro and against Haas were very disputed... both he came back from 2-0 deficit.

Seventeen 01-15-2013 10:51 PM

No.

10chars

Polaris 01-15-2013 10:52 PM

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Originally Posted by smoledman (Post 7124780)
I'm not going to argue the legitimacy of the win - that's 100%. He beat everyone in front of him including the Nadal slayer in straight sets fairly easily. But we all know that until he beats Nadal at the FO, he will not feel complete.

Speak for yourself. I'm totally chuffed that he won a French Open. The thought of who the opponents were, does not keep me awake at night. :)

smoledman 01-15-2013 10:52 PM

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Originally Posted by augustobt (Post 7124782)
He didn't beat everyone that easily... his match against Del Potro and against Haas were very disputed... both he came back from 2-0 deficit.

I meant he trashed Soderling in the final pretty easily. The one against Haas was the one that he almost truly lost.

augustobt 01-15-2013 10:54 PM

He trashed up Soderling, like he did almost every other meeting they had (except from next year French Open). No one was going to take Rog down that time. Not even the '09 Nadal, who had just lost a Clay Final against him in Madrid.

Bad_Knee 01-15-2013 11:00 PM

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Originally Posted by augustobt (Post 7124782)
He didn't beat everyone that easily... his match against Del Potro and against Haas were very disputed... both he came back from 2-0 deficit.

Not Delpo, that was 1 set all.

augustobt 01-15-2013 11:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Bad_Knee (Post 7124800)
Not Delpo, that was 1 set all.

You're correct, I've messed up who won the second and the third.

Hood_Man 01-15-2013 11:08 PM

He did it by reaching a record equalling 4th consecutive final though.

zagor 01-15-2013 11:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Polaris (Post 7124787)
Speak for yourself. I'm totally chuffed that he won a French Open. The thought of who the opponents were, does not keep me awake at night. :)

Indeed, however we certainly do know that the mere fact that Fed won the FO does keep OP awake at night (along with that relatively recent shock at Wimbledon last year, damned roof and Rosol!).

His only hope left is that Nadal has another miracle in him - http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?t=387729

:)

TennisLovaLova 01-15-2013 11:23 PM

No GS win is empty.
Especially if you take in consideration the fact that these are best of 5 matches and the competition is 2 weeks long.
How many straight wins does it take to win a GS?
seriously troll thread

merlinpinpin 01-15-2013 11:54 PM

Considering that no-one in world history ever beat Nadal at RG and then went on to win the tournament, does that mean that every RG win since the beginning of time should be asterisked?

That would leave Nadal at:
Slams: 4 legit + 7* (RG as per your specs)
MS: 17 legit + 4* (MC since it's become optionnal)

Not too shabby still, but I guess that would make him drop from tier 2 to tier 4 (ie behind Djokovic at this stage).

Magnetite 01-16-2013 04:17 AM

It would have been a sweeter victory if he beat Nadal in the final, but it isn't an 'empty' win.

He fought hard to get to the final, and owned Soderling when he got there.

Rogael Naderer 01-16-2013 04:22 AM

You're forgetting that in NONE of Nadal's FO victories did he beat Nadal.

Nadal therefore has zero FO titles?

mistik 01-16-2013 04:24 AM

Most of his slam victories is nothing more than empty, but this one heads the list.No question about it.

Povl Carstensen 01-16-2013 09:18 AM

You go through your half and beat the guy that went through the other half. Nothing empty about it.

DropShotArtist 01-16-2013 09:26 AM

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Originally Posted by zagor (Post 7124836)
Indeed, however we certainly do know that the mere fact that Fed won the FO does keep OP awake at night (along with that relatively recent shock at Wimbledon last year, damned roof and Rosol!).

His only hope left is that Nadal has another miracle in him - http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?t=387729

:)

What's your evidence that JV=Smellyman, other than intuition?

NadalAgassi 01-16-2013 09:46 AM

Yes quite a bit. Everyone knows there is 0% of his winning had he played Nadal. His French Open win will never be mentioned without Nadal's defeat which was essential to any hopes he had of netting his elusive RG, whereas Nadal's U.S Open win which ****s try to downplay will never mention anything other than his utter dominance of the event.

Prisoner of Birth 01-16-2013 10:10 AM

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Originally Posted by NadalAgassi (Post 7126017)
Yes quite a bit. Everyone knows there is 0% of his winning had he played Nadal. His French Open win will never be mentioned without Nadal's defeat which was essential to any hopes he had of netting his elusive RG, whereas Nadal's U.S Open win which ****s try to downplay will never mention anything other than his utter dominance of the event.


Cup8489 01-16-2013 10:21 AM

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Originally Posted by DropShotArtist (Post 7125976)
What's your evidence that JV=Smellyman, other than intuition?

It's really obvious.


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