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tennisaddict 01-20-2013 01:26 PM

Sampras at age 29-30
 
I wanted to analyse Sampras's performance when he was 29-30 in relation to Federer's performance post year 2009.

It is mindboggling to see the kind of losses Sampras has had during these years. Sampras fans make it as though that but for clay he was god and also in clay , he was very competitive pre-1996. How can a grass and hard court god suffer so many losses when not even crossing 30 ?

I was seeing the calibre of players and the rankings of players over the top 30 whom Sampras lost to when he was age 29-30

Total 2002 win-loss : 27-17, Losses outside top 30 : 11

Paul-Henri Mathieu (FRA) Ranking 85 - 2002 Long Island
Wayne Arthurs (AUS) Ranking 70 - 2002 Cincinnati
George Bastl (SUI) Ranking 145 - 2002 Wimbledon
Nicolas Kiefer (GER) Ranking 66 - 2002 Halle
Andrea Gaudenzi (ITA) Ranking 69 - 2002 French
Nicolas Escude (FRA) Ranking 30 - 2002 Dusseldorf
Max Mirnyi (BLR) Ranking 39 - 2002 Hamburg
Felix Mantilla (ESP) Ranking 45 - 2002 Rome
Fernando Gonzalez (CHI) Ranking 62 - 2002 Miami
Wayne Ferreira (RSA) Ranking 48 - 2002 Scottsdale
Todd Martin (USA) Ranking 57 - 2002 Adelaide

Total 2001 win-loss : 35-16, No of Losses outside top 30 -9

Max Mirnyi (BLR) - Ranked 53 - 2001 Germany
Alberto Martin (ESP) - Ranked 38 - 2001 Cincinnati
Galo Blanco (ESP) - Ranked 76 - 2001 French
Alex Calatrava (ESP) -Ranked 50 - 2001 Hamburg
Harel Levy (ISR) -Ranked 54 - 2001 Rome
Andy Roddick (USA) -ranked 119 - 2001 Miami
Andrew Ilie (AUS) - ranked 43 - 2001 Scottsdale
Chris Woodruff (USA) - ranked 96 - 2001 Memphis
Todd Martin (USA) - ranked 54 - 2001 AO

How many of you have heard of Andrew Ilie , Chris Woodruff, Alex Calatrava ?

Will Federer have these kind of losses in his last 2 years ?

Prisoner of Birth 01-20-2013 01:32 PM

That's pretty bad. I can't see Federer doing that bad until 2016.

Brett UK 01-20-2013 01:39 PM

Interesting but to give sampras some credit he still pulled out a us open in 02, so although his level fell away, he did take a grand slam when the opportunity was there. Well worth the humbling losses.

90's Clay 01-20-2013 01:55 PM

Yawn.


Sampras had already broken the record by 29 year of age, and no one was around him in the slam count or even CLOSE overall to what he accomplished.

Different scenario with Roger.. Rafa was breathing down his neck for quite a while and DESTROYED him on the big stage on all surface more times then not. He was breathing down his neck in terms of legacy so the drive was there for Roger to continue trying to keep the record out of reach.

Pete had Andre but Pete got the best of Andre more then vice versa when it matter and overall in the h2h count. Rafa has been around pushing Rog to the limit for quite a few years now (with only injuries stopping Rafa from achieving more). Pete had systematically silenced all his main rivals time and time again on the big stage.



Fed's more motivated now then Pete was (mainly after he got married in 2000) but I think Fed HAD to be motivated. Rafa breathing down his neck.

smoledman 01-20-2013 01:57 PM

Can we stop this comparison? Clearly Fed has surpassed Sampras in all respects.

Prisoner of Birth 01-20-2013 01:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 90's Clay (Post 7141330)
Yawn.


Sampras had already broken the record by 29 year of age, and no one was around him in the slam count or even CLOSE overall to what he accomplished.

Different scenario with Roger.. Rafa was breathing down his neck for quite a while and DESTROYED him on the big stage on all surface more times then not. He was breathing down his neck in terms of legacy so the drive was there for Roger to continue trying to keep the record out of reach.

Pete had Andre but Pete got the best of Andre more then vice versa when it matter and overall in the h2h count. Rafa has been around pushing Rog to the limit for quite a few years now (with only injuries stopping Rafa from achieving more). Pete had systematically silenced all his main rivals time and time again on the big stage.

So basically Pete Sampras sucked despite playing in a weak era with no real competition. Got it :)

Goosehead 01-20-2013 01:58 PM

yes, sampras went 'el crappo' by this time.

smoledman 01-20-2013 01:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 90's Clay (Post 7141330)
Yawn.


Sampras had already broken the record by 29 year of age, and no one was around him in the slam count or even CLOSE overall to what he accomplished.

Different scenario with Roger.. Rafa was breathing down his neck for quite a while and DESTROYED him on the big stage on all surface more times then not. He was breathing down his neck in terms of legacy so the drive was there for Roger to continue trying to keep the record out of reach.

Pete had Andre but Pete got the best of Andre more then vice versa when it matter and overall in the h2h count. Rafa has been around pushing Rog to the limit for quite a few years now (with only injuries stopping Rafa from achieving more). Pete had systematically silenced all his main rivals time and time again on the big stage.

Fed's more motivated now then Pete was (mainly after he got married in 2000) but I think Fed HAD to be motivated. Rafa breathing down his neck.

How come Pete could only win 11 Masters titles?

90's Clay 01-20-2013 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by smoledman (Post 7141337)
How come Pete could only win 11 Masters titles?

Because he was a slam guy? Peaking for what was important? Who cares why.. Pete was the best of his era bar none. NO ONE came close. A few missed masters titles won't change that

forzamilan90 01-20-2013 02:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by smoledman (Post 7141337)
How come Pete could only win 11 Masters titles?

or end up with same amount of titles as Borg who retired mid twenties?

Prisoner of Birth 01-20-2013 02:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 90's Clay (Post 7141340)
Because he was a slam guy? Peaking for what was important? Who cares why.. Pete was the best of his era bar none. NO ONE came close. A few missed masters titles won't change that

And why didn't he win the French Open? Because he was a non-Clay Slam guy? :lol:

90's Clay 01-20-2013 02:03 PM

Another "please love my Roger" thread. We are so insecure aren't we. ROFL

axel89 01-20-2013 02:04 PM

lol 90s clay has been quoted so many times

smoledman 01-20-2013 02:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 90's Clay (Post 7141355)
Another "please love my Roger" thread. We are so insecure aren't we. ROFL

I see you changed your avatar from Lendl to Sampras. Oh and everything I say about Roger is objective facts.

The only stat Sampras has over Roger is the consecutive YE #1 finishes.

smoledman 01-20-2013 02:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by axel89 (Post 7141362)
lol 90s clay has been quoted so many times

It's because he's a top 5 troll on this board along with Rafa2005 and Clarky.

90's Clay 01-20-2013 02:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by smoledman (Post 7141363)
I see you changed your avatar from Lendl to Sampras. Oh and everything I say about Roger is objective facts.

The only stat Sampras has over Roger is the consecutive YE #1 finishes.



Yea we know.. Rog has a better resume.. I dont have to constantly take digs at other players though just to reinforce my insecurities because my boy can't handle his main rival on the big stage for years on end with his little pink shoes

90's Clay 01-20-2013 02:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by smoledman (Post 7141363)
I see you changed your avatar from Lendl to Sampras. Oh and everything I say about Roger is objective facts.

The only stat Sampras has over Roger is the consecutive YE #1 finishes.

Uhh.. Never had a Lendl avatar.

President 01-20-2013 02:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by smoledman (Post 7141363)
I see you changed your avatar from Lendl to Sampras. Oh and everything I say about Roger is objective facts.

The only stat Sampras has over Roger is the consecutive YE #1 finishes.

Pretty sure it was Bruguera before.

tennisaddict 01-20-2013 02:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brett UK (Post 7141283)
Interesting but to give sampras some credit he still pulled out a us open in 02, so although his level fell away, he did take a grand slam when the opportunity was there. Well worth the humbling losses.

while i like to give credit to Sampras for his wins over Haas and Roddick in 2002 USO, one would have to understand Agassi played second on the super saturday against Hewitt in an extremely tight 4 setter while Sampras lucked out playing against Sjeng Schalken in a straight 3 setter boring serve fest with 0 rallies.

Hitman 01-20-2013 02:08 PM

Another Sampras bashing thread? Haven't there been enough of these during the off season? :?


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