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Mainad 01-26-2013 01:17 PM

Murray has already joined a select few!
 
Regardless of what happens in the final tomorrow, Murray is one of only 8 male players in the Open Era (post 1968) who made at least the final of the next scheduled Slam after winning their first one.

By my reckoning the other 7 players are:

Laver (1969 AO & FO), Kodes (1973 Wim & USO), Vilas (1978 AO & FO), McEnroe (1981 Wim & USO), Wilander (1983 AO & FO), Courier (1992 AO & FO) and Sampras (1993 Wim & USO).

No other current Slam champion did so.

Not trying to sound like a **** or anything...just saying! :)

veroniquem 01-26-2013 01:26 PM

It will be even better for him if he becomes the ONLY player to have won the title after his first!!!

Hops 01-26-2013 01:29 PM

bad data you have ...

http://www.tennis28.com/slams/nextsl...n_summary.html

Nastase, Connors, Murray. And Murray has the edge as both Nastase (1973 AO) and Connors (1974 RG) did not play the slam immediately after their first win.

Mainad 01-26-2013 01:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by veroniquem (Post 7168093)
It will be even better for him if he becomes the ONLY player to have won the title after his first!!!

Oh absolutely. But I just wanted to say that he was already among a select few just by being there! ;)

tennisaddict 01-26-2013 01:32 PM

While this is a good achievement in itself, it should also be looked at how many attempts it has taken for someone to get to a major final victory after innumerable attempts at a semi final / finals.

Does Murray hold the record for maximum semi finals lost ? or atleast maximum semifinals + finals lost before winning a major ?

BTW, I hope he wins today.

Mainad 01-26-2013 01:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hops (Post 7168102)
bad data you have ...

http://www.tennis28.com/slams/nextsl...n_summary.html

Nastase, Connors, Murray. And Murray has the edge as both Nastase (1973 AO) and Connors (1974 RG) did not play the slam immediately after their first win.

Nastase and Connors don't belong. Nastase's first Slam title was 1973 FO but he didn't make the final of 1973 Wimbledon. Connors' first Slam title was 1974 AO but he did not appear in the final of 1974 FO.

veroniquem 01-26-2013 01:57 PM

What I find interesting is that if Murray wins AO, he will be a huge favorite at W and USO as well. So, we could potentially have a Murray monster season in 2013 (in the same vein as the Djoko 2011 one).

tennis_pro 01-26-2013 02:04 PM

Man...what? This list is fail.

Sampras - won the US Open in 1990, didnt make the final of AO in 1991
Courier - won the FO in 1991, didnt make the final of Wimbledon that year
Laver - won the French in 1968 (and also won majors before)
Wilander - won the French in 1982, no Wimbledon final that year
McEnroe - won the US Open in 1979, no AO or FO final in 1980
Kodes - won the French in 1970, didnt reach another major final for a year (when he won the french again in 71)
vilas - won the french in 1977, no wimbledon final

Man it's not even close. Where did you get this list from?

Double checked - you didn't get 1 single name right, lol.

Towser83 01-26-2013 02:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mainad (Post 7168073)
Regardless of what happens in the final tomorrow, Murray is one of only 8 male players in the Open Era (post 1968) who made at least the final of the next scheduled Slam after winning their first one.

By my reckoning the other 7 players are:

Laver (1969 AO & FO), Kodes (1973 Wim & USO), Vilas (1978 AO & FO), McEnroe (1981 Wim & USO), Wilander (1983 AO & FO), Courier (1992 AO & FO) and Sampras (1993 Wim & USO).

No other current Slam champion did so.

Not trying to sound like a **** or anything...just saying! :)

Sampras won his first slam at the USO in 1990 not Wimbledon in 1993.

Also laver counting open era only, won Wimbledon in 68 and then didn't make the US final, Vilas made the final of the AO and THEN won RG, so the wrong way around. McEnroe's first slam was the 1979 US Open so he doesn't count either..

Wilander won his first slam at RG in 82 and did not reach the final of his next slam, Courier won RG and did not make the final of the next final...

So none of those guys did what Murray did, but having said that this record is hugely based on what slam you win first. If Murray won the AO as his first slam he would have no chance to do it, winning the USO with the next slam also on hardcourt gives him a pretty good chance.

Mike Sams 01-26-2013 02:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by veroniquem (Post 7168182)
What I find interesting is that if Murray wins AO, he will be a huge favorite at W and USO as well. So, we could potentially have a Murray monster season in 2013 (in the same vein as the Djoko 2011 one).

What be even better if Murray has both Nadal and Federer in his Wimbledon draw (if Nadal remains #5).

veroniquem 01-26-2013 02:16 PM

Murray has proved he can handle Fed on grass at the Olympics. Nadal's grass form is a big question mark after such a long absence.

batz 01-26-2013 02:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mainad (Post 7168073)
Regardless of what happens in the final tomorrow, Murray is one of only 8 male players in the Open Era (post 1968) who made at least the final of the next scheduled Slam after winning their first one.

By my reckoning the other 7 players are:

Laver (1969 AO & FO), Kodes (1973 Wim & USO), Vilas (1978 AO & FO), McEnroe (1981 Wim & USO), Wilander (1983 AO & FO), Courier (1992 AO & FO) and Sampras (1993 Wim & USO).

No other current Slam champion did so.

Not trying to sound like a **** or anything...just saying! :)


Are you sure about this mate? I was labouring under the illusion that nobody had gone beyond semis in the immediate next slam played.

EDIT I see tennis_pro and Towser have beaten me too it.

Towser83 01-26-2013 02:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tennis_pro (Post 7168212)
Man...what? This list is fail.

Sampras - won the US Open in 1990, didnt make the final of AO in 1991
Courier - won the FO in 1991, didnt make the final of Wimbledon that year
Laver - won the French in 1968 (and also won majors before)
Wilander - won the French in 1982, no Wimbledon final that year
McEnroe - won the US Open in 1979, no AO or FO final in 1980
Kodes - won the French in 1970, didnt reach another major final for a year (when he won the french again in 71)
vilas - won the french in 1977, no wimbledon final

Man it's not even close. Where did you get this list from?

Double checked - you didn't get 1 single name right, lol.

You beat me to it as i was typing it and double checking lol

db379 01-26-2013 02:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mainad (Post 7168073)
Regardless of what happens in the final tomorrow, Murray is one of only 8 male players in the Open Era (post 1968) who made at least the final of the next scheduled Slam after winning their first one.

By my reckoning the other 7 players are:

Laver (1969 AO & FO), Kodes (1973 Wim & USO), Vilas (1978 AO & FO), McEnroe (1981 Wim & USO), Wilander (1983 AO & FO), Courier (1992 AO & FO) and Sampras (1993 Wim & USO).

No other current Slam champion did so.

Not trying to sound like a **** or anything...just saying! :)

Oh great! I thought he had beaten the record of most slam titles.... But, to be fair, this is a great achievement which is to the measure of his talent.

tennis_pro 01-26-2013 02:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Towser83 (Post 7168261)
You beat me to it as i was typing it and double checking lol

well i only had to check kodes and vilas really... the rest of the guys had kinda characteristic 1st major wins so it was kind of obvious they didnt back it up with a major final in their next major

im wondering how did mainad come up with this list

The-Champ 01-26-2013 02:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by veroniquem (Post 7168093)
It will be even better for him if he becomes the ONLY player to have won the title after his first!!!

true. He's already setting records which he truly deserves. I wouldn't mind if he does the CYGS this year.

Mainad 01-26-2013 02:42 PM

Yes, apologies to everyone (tennis pro, Towser, batz etc.), you're right, my list is crap. I thought of the fact that Murray has made the final of the next Slam following his first Slam win and it struck me that no other current Slam champion had done that. So I went into my limited stats file and tried to see how many others had done it in the post 1968 Open Era. Obviously I looked too quickly and didn't check thoroughly enough. I can't believe ALL the names I quoted were wrong (every bugger had had a Slam win earlier than I thought)! Serves me right for posting too quickly. :oops:

But my central point seems to stand even more. Just who are the guys who join Murray in this presumably even selecter list because there certainly don't seem to be many!

Phoenix1983 01-26-2013 02:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mainad (Post 7168306)

But my central point seems to stand even more. Just who are the guys who join Murray in this presumably even selecter list because there certainly don't seem to be many!

Nobody has reached the final of the next slam played after their first win in the Open Era until Murray. Nastase and Connors reached the next one that they played in, but they both missed one (AO 73 and FO 74 respectively).

batz 01-26-2013 03:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mainad (Post 7168306)
Yes, apologies to everyone (tennis pro, Towser, batz etc.), you're right, my list is crap. I thought of the fact that Murray has made the final of the next Slam following his first Slam win and it struck me that no other current Slam champion had done that. So I went into my limited stats file and tried to see how many others had done it in the post 1968 Open Era. Obviously I looked too quickly and didn't check thoroughly enough. I can't believe ALL the names I quoted were wrong (every bugger had had a Slam win earlier than I thought)! Serves me right for posting too quickly. :oops:

But my central point seems to stand even more. Just who are the guys who join Murray in this presumably even selecter list because there certainly don't seem to be many!

Pretty sure Andy has already done better than any other 1st time slam winner in the open era buddy.

nethawkwenatchee 01-26-2013 03:55 PM

Interesting Stat
 
In the last five Australian Open finals, the player with a day less rest has won four of five finals against the player with an extra day of rest


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