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FedererExpress 01-27-2013 11:54 AM

Calling all runners! Running shoes similar to Babolat Propulse 2
 
I'm starting to get into running, only logging about 9-10 miles a week. Would like to up it to 15-20. My current running shoes are not good for my feet, it causes the inside of my feet to cramp up like crazy to the point where it feels better to just run barefoot. Current shoes are Reebok Fuel Motion.

I have pretty flat feet. Would say Low-Medium to flat arches. I've found that the Propulse 2 doesn't cause my feet to cramp, and I run pretty well in them. The only problem is they are pretty heavy, and my calves get semi sore. Anyone can suggest me a running specific shoe that is similar fit to the Propulse 2? I've been looking into some minimalist shoes too. Any suggestions?

Thanks!

ndhUW 01-28-2013 01:12 AM

The cramps you've been experiencing are probably due to your shoes' lack of support. What you need is a pair of "Stability" or "Motion control" running shoes. These shoes will give you the necessary arch support, so that you can increase your millage.

I highly recommend you checking out local running shoes stores. They'll examine your pronation and recommend you a proper pair of running shoes. Also, go with the store that has a good return policy. My local store, Super Jock and Jill in Seattle, let me return the shoes after I've run in them for 2 weeks, about 20 miles. Their policy is to get me the right pair, and it doesn't matter how many pairs of shoes it's going to take.

Last but not least, the Propulse 2 might be good tennis shoes. But they would make horrible running shoes. No arch support. No forefoot cushioning. And the drastic heel-to-toe drop will only exacerbate the lack of forefoot cushioning.

FedererExpress 01-28-2013 08:00 AM

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Originally Posted by ndhUW (Post 7173816)
The cramps you've been experiencing are probably due to your shoes' lack of support. What you need is a pair of "Stability" or "Motion control" running shoes. These shoes will give you the necessary arch support, so that you can increase your millage.

I highly recommend you checking out local running shoes stores. They'll examine your pronation and recommend you a proper pair of running shoes. Also, go with the store that has a good return policy. My local store, Super Jock and Jill in Seattle, let me return the shoes after I've run in them for 2 weeks, about 20 miles. Their policy is to get me the right pair, and it doesn't matter how many pairs of shoes it's going to take.

Last but not least, the Propulse 2 might be good tennis shoes. But they would make horrible running shoes. No arch support. No forefoot cushioning. And the drastic heel-to-toe drop will only exacerbate the lack of forefoot cushioning.

If both shoes lack the support as you mentioned, then why does the Propulse 2 not cause my foot to cramp like my other shoes? I know I should look into 'good' running shoes, but for right now the only shoe I have that is pain free is the Propulse 2?

HacknSlash 01-28-2013 10:36 AM

I am not a running shoe expert.

I've done a few marathons, done as much as 60mi in a week, but in no way am I a 'runner' nor do I claim explicit in depth knowledge.

Terms for the runner and the tennis player seem, to me, to get blurry. When tennis players talk about "support" in their shoes, they are generally talking about ankle support or their perceived stability of the platform of the shoe to prevent rolling.

Running shoes are very different. If you are getting a "support" shoe, you are talking about your -arch-. Arch support in a running shoe assists those runners who's arch falls or sags when weight is placed upon it. It really does not have to do with how high a person's arch is (ie. I have a high arch, when weight is placed is on the foot, the arch does not fall. "support" is not required).

The first time I went to buy legit tennis shoes I said I have a neutral foot (do not pronate, supinate or need stability for arch support). The sales guy started talking about support shoes. I repeated I had a neutral foot, he kept talking about support shoes. The support of a tennis shoe guy does not equal the support to a runner or person with a running background.

What does this mean?
Do what ndh suggested. Go to a running specialist shop. Not Dicks, not Massive Shoe Store mall guy. Running store specialist salesperson will have you take off the shoe, stand up, sit down, stand on one let, may even put you on a treadmill to watch your stride. THEN get the shoe they think is right.

I personally can't stand tennis shoes. They all feel totally over-built and heavy compared to what I use in other activities. I liked the NB 851 (discontinued). Next pair I get will probably be the Asics Speed Solution or the new Speed Slam shoes...based almost solely (see what I did there..that is funny) on their weight.

FedererExpress 01-28-2013 11:05 AM

what are your guys' opinions on minamilist shoes? I like the concept, not sure if it would be applicable to me

ndhUW 01-30-2013 03:16 PM

I posted a pretty long response to your second post, but it never showed up. Anyway, minimalist shoes are pretty, but like 90 squared inch racquets, they are not really good for most people. A friend of mine strained his calf muscle because he began running with a pair of minimalist shoes. His legs weren't strong enough to handle the lack of support and cushioning. He's fine now. But for a long time, he could not run or play tennis.

Again, I think you should go to a running shoe store and talk to an expert. Please keep in mind, terms, such as "support" and "stability," mean different things for running shoes. The bottom line is that they all have to do with arch support. And to find out how much support you need, you have to run. In my case, I had to run 6 miles to realize that my Asics GT 2000 did not have enough support. So I took them back to the store and traded them in for the Brooks Adrenaline GTS 13, which are working out pretty well.

WildVolley 01-30-2013 03:30 PM

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Originally Posted by FedererExpress (Post 7175058)
what are your guys' opinions on minamilist shoes? I like the concept, not sure if it would be applicable to me

I love minimalist shoes, but the only type of running I do is sprinting, and mostly on the beach these days. I'll wear Vibram 5F KSOs when the surface is a bit rough, but otherwise I go without shoes.

Going minimalist will strengthen your feet, but you don't want to just jump in and run a lot of miles in minimalist shoes without having gone barefoot a lot. You have a high chance of injury if you do that. If you want to get into it, start slowly because shoes have weakened your feet legs. I'd get a racing flat or a minimalist shoe with padding like Altra to start if you want to do a lot of miles. I love Altra because I hate having my toes pinched.

XFactorer 02-01-2013 12:39 PM

My recommendation is to try the Nike LunarGlide 4s. I have flat feet, too, and these work just fine for me. If you really want minimalist shoes, try the Free Run 3s.


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