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dje31 01-27-2013 04:12 PM

Slightly jaded, slightly conspiratorial take on men's AO'13 final
 
Cross-posted from General Pro Player's forum, but just as valid here for the sake of argument:

So, a sponsor's dream final: #1 Djokovic against #3 Murray, the former "using" (or at least endorsing the PJ of) the brand new Graphene Speed Pro, against the latter's "IG Radical Pro."

Even on TW's home page, it has a graphic of Head-to-Head (I get it), showing both, along with their endorsed frames.

Considering:

1. These guys are top 3 players;

2. Both endorsing the same brand;

3. #1 is pushing a new stick.

Who thinks (besides me) that, behind the scenes, agents / brand reps / coaches / whomever are "suggesting" that #1 with his brand new stick take the title? Don't worry, next year, when they re-do the Radical / Prestige lines with Graphene, then it'll be Murray's turn, should the situation arise.

Also consider:

1. Still flagging global economy;

2. Lots of commitments by mail order, internet, and B&M retailers to bring in brand new product with brand new tech;

3. Gotta churn product.

They'd almost have to, especially after Shriekapova going out 2 & 2 in the semis with her "brand new Instinct."

I mean, we, who obsess about such things and frequent boards such as these, know that in most exos, if it's 2 out of 3, they split the first two, and play for real in the third, to make it interesting for the crowd. They know how to make it look good, without making it look obvious that they're tanking. Especially with two pushers.

It's been the norm in boxing forever...why would it be weird if Murray were "coaxed" or "persuaded" into "taking a dive," esp. if he were promised recompense in the future?

I'm not naive, nor am I faulting anyone involved in this potential charade. Business is business, and marketing is marketing, be it tennis, widgets, guns, or butter. Lots of $, jobs, and reputation on the line, all throughout the food chain.

I just can't help but look at so much of it with a jaundiced view. Would that I could take it in with the wonder of unspoiled youth and enthusiasm.

Plus they're all on the juice anyway...

dr325i 01-27-2013 04:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dje31 (Post 7172901)
Cross-posted from General Pro Player's forum, but just as valid here for the sake of argument:

So, a sponsor's dream final: #1 Djokovic against #3 Murray, the former "using" (or at least endorsing the PJ of) the brand new Graphene Speed Pro, against the latter's "IG Radical Pro."

Even on TW's home page, it has a graphic of Head-to-Head (I get it), showing both, along with their endorsed frames.

Considering:

1. These guys are top 3 players;

2. Both endorsing the same brand;

3. #1 is pushing a new stick.

Who thinks (besides me) that, behind the scenes, agents / brand reps / coaches / whomever are "suggesting" that #1 with his brand new stick take the title? Don't worry, next year, when they re-do the Radical / Prestige lines with Graphene, then it'll be Murray's turn, should the situation arise.

Also consider:

1. Still flagging global economy;

2. Lots of commitments by mail order, internet, and B&M retailers to bring in brand new product with brand new tech;

3. Gotta churn product.

They'd almost have to, especially after Shriekapova going out 2 & 2 in the semis with her "brand new Instinct."

I mean, we, who obsess about such things and frequent boards such as these, know that in most exos, if it's 2 out of 3, they split the first two, and play for real in the third, to make it interesting for the crowd. They know how to make it look good, without making it look obvious that they're tanking. Especially with two pushers.

It's been the norm in boxing forever...why would it be weird if Murray were "coaxed" or "persuaded" into "taking a dive," esp. if he were promised recompense in the future?

I'm not naive, nor am I faulting anyone involved in this potential charade. Business is business, and marketing is marketing, be it tennis, widgets, guns, or butter. Lots of $, jobs, and reputation on the line, all throughout the food chain.

I just can't help but look at so much of it with a jaundiced view. Would that I could take it in with the wonder of unspoiled youth and enthusiasm.

Plus they're all on the juice anyway...

Your last line just made the rest of your ckmment worthless...
Go, do your homework, tomorrow is a school day!

JDMasFCK 01-27-2013 04:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dr325i (Post 7172926)
Your last line just made the rest of your ckmment worthless...
Go, do your homework, tomorrow is a school day!

i agree

10chars

Rjtennis 01-27-2013 06:35 PM

Your either on to something or more likely ON something.

Doubles 01-27-2013 06:57 PM

Or. Or. Or. maybe, just maybe, the better player won?

Cup8489 01-27-2013 07:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dr325i (Post 7172926)
Your last line just made the rest of your ckmment worthless...
Go, do your homework, tomorrow is a school day!

why that last comment? Are you so blind and butthurt that the mere suggestion that the Djoke is juicing makes his post irrelevant? Maybe you should go do your homework, instead of acting like some prissy fool who thinks his opinion is somehow more valid just because he says so.

Djokovic fans.. no class whatsoever.

Doubles 01-27-2013 07:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cup8489 (Post 7173362)
why that last comment? Are you so blind and butthurt that the mere suggestion that the Djoke is juicing makes his post irrelevant? Maybe you should go do your homework, instead of acting like some prissy fool who thinks his opinion is somehow more valid just because he says so.

Djokovic fans.. no class whatsoever.

I could say the same about Fed and Nadal fans.

dr325i 01-27-2013 07:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cup8489 (Post 7173362)
why that last comment? Are you so blind and butthurt that the mere suggestion that the Djoke is juicing makes his post irrelevant? Maybe you should go do your homework, instead of acting like some prissy fool who thinks his opinion is somehow more valid just because he says so.

Djokovic fans.. no class whatsoever.

First of all...I am not really a Djokovic fan. I like him, but not his true fan.
Second, I have done my homeworks 25 years ago...
Last, Djokovic is #1 ranked today and (by a good margin) the best player in the world right now. I have respect for the guy that has overcome physical obstacles, diet issues and mental toughness... Calling him a doper or comparing him to the American cyclist cheater is ridiculous...

Cup8489 01-27-2013 10:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dr325i (Post 7173381)
First of all...I am not really a Djokovic fan. I like him, but not his true fan.
Second, I have done my homeworks 25 years ago...
Last, Djokovic is #1 ranked today and (by a good margin) the best player in the world right now. I have respect for the guy that has overcome physical obstacles, diet issues and mental toughness... Calling him a doper or comparing him to the American cyclist cheater is ridiculous...

I don't disagree, but people are allowed to have their opinions on it without having to worry about getting a handle shoved down their throat. Simple enough to avoid the thread, no?

Cup8489 01-27-2013 10:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Doubles (Post 7173380)
I could say the same about Fed and Nadal fans.

Of course you could, everyone does it.

jokinla 01-27-2013 10:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dr325i (Post 7173381)
First of all...I am not really a Djokovic fan. I like him, but not his true fan.
Second, I have done my homeworks 25 years ago...
Last, Djokovic is #1 ranked today and (by a good margin) the best player in the world right now. I have respect for the guy that has overcome physical obstacles, diet issues and mental toughness... Calling him a doper or comparing him to the American cyclist cheater is ridiculous...

BAHAHAHAHAHA, that's hilarious, LMFAO, LOL, and whatever else!!!

dr325i 01-28-2013 04:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jokinla (Post 7173697)
BAHAHAHAHAHA, that's hilarious, LMFAO, LOL, and whatever else!!!

You, kid, again...
Where is your menror, Jr?
Go play in the sand with...

jokinla 01-28-2013 09:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dr325i (Post 7173992)
You, kid, again...
Where is your menror, Jr?
Go play in the sand with...

Hey grandpa, what's a menror?

bcart1991 01-28-2013 10:11 AM

Richard Williams is bats#!t crazy, so I can see him dictating which daughter's turn it is to win, but I can't really see a large company like Head doing this.

Also, dr325i, you can change "American cyclist cheater" to "any cyclist above Cat1" for a more accurate statement.


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