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OddJack 01-27-2013 06:19 PM

Is Djokovic Winning his Majors in a Weak Era?
 
Yeah yeah yeah, he's good, with all the stats, the 2011 season and all that.

No Nadal, only Old Fed who used to stop him in majors...

I know he won majors when Nadal and Fed were around, but they are both past their primes now and for the next 10 majors there will be no real rival for him.

Murray has only recently has made a move and even now its obvious he cant keep up with him physically.

If he swipes the majors this year it's because of a perfect timing when a weak era has emerged.

Hops 01-27-2013 06:24 PM

Don't you know there has never been a strong era in the history of tennis? Just like the turtles, it's weak eras all the way down.

ManFed 01-27-2013 06:28 PM

No Doubt. Djokovic emerge just because Fed and Nadal are way past their primes. They can not compete physically anymore. Roger is aging, it is a natural process where he is not able to compete 5 sets is a slow surface against a pusher anymore. Nadal is just too injured, his knees won't hold a 5 set matches against Djoko.

Murray is just not good enough. No really talented youngsters. Djokovic is in a perfect time to win CYGS.

People has to accept this. If this Djoko were playing against Prime Fed and Prime Nadal, he would not have any chances except for AO.

THE FIGHTER 01-27-2013 06:31 PM

yes, anytime Rafa is injured or not playing tennis is a weak era. so pre 2005 is a weak era and post AO 2012 is a week era.


there are multiples spots showcasing weak eras between 2005 and 2012 as well, considering rafa has been out of play a few times.


the next strong era will be in february 2014 when rafa finally returns, ascending to his throne.

90's Clay 01-27-2013 06:34 PM

I doubt the next 4-5 years will be strong and steeped with talent depth.

So:

Old Federer
Nadal out for almost a year (who knows if he returns to top level)
Pusher Murray who can't let go of the mental demons that plague him

... And a 31 year old Ferrer with NO WEAPONS at all as the only other real top threat


I guess so..

But Fed didn't exactly play in a golden era either when he amassed double digit slams

Hops 01-27-2013 06:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 90's Clay (Post 7173209)
But Fed didn't exactly play in a golden era either

you fool there are no golden eras. every era is full of hacks, old washed up players and mental defectives, and one or two real players get lucky and take advantage

THE FIGHTER 01-27-2013 06:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 90's Clay (Post 7173209)
I doubt the next 4-5 years will be strong and steeped with talent depth.

So:

Old Federer
Nadal out for almost a year (who knows if he returns to top level)
Pusher Murray who can't let go of the mental demons that plague him

... And a 31 year old Ferrer with NO WEAPONS at all as the only other real top threat


I guess so..

But Fed didn't exactly play in a golden era either when he amassed double digit slams

federer played against prime nadal for half of his career, No1e's prime and rafa's prime didnt overlap. djoke nearly primed on rafa's mid career decline.


their primes wont overlap until next year when rafa comes back to kick No1e's butt and take is name, which is No1e.

90's Clay 01-27-2013 07:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by THE FIGHTER (Post 7173236)
federer played against prime nadal for half of his career, No1e's prime and rafa's prime didnt overlap. djoke nearly primed on rafa's mid career decline.


their primes wont overlap until next year when rafa comes back to kick No1e's butt and take is name, which is No1e.

2004-2007, Nadal was still learning the game off of clay and didn't reach a HC slam semis until after Fed's supposed "prime". So he didn't even have to deal with an all surface Nadal until after 2007.

But I will give Fed the benefit of the doubt.. The field was deeper in 2004-2007 overall then it is now

Id say Nadal had it the worst. He had to deal with prime Federer and peak Nole.

Nole will have plenty of chances to rack up slams now with Fed old, and Nadal out.. Unless Nadal comes back to challenge Nole that is. However, its not looking very likely at this point

NadalDramaQueen 01-27-2013 07:24 PM

Yep, however many slams he wins, divide it by two. :lol:

The-Champ 01-27-2013 07:37 PM

In my opinion

Federer's peak/prime years 2003-2008
Nadal's peak/prime years 2005-2010

Novak 2008-2013
Murray 2012-2017

anything they win after those 6 years is a bonus.

ManFed 01-27-2013 07:43 PM

The field was deeper when Fed started to rise and before this risen than it is now.

Djoko emerge = Safin + Hewitt + Roddick emerge at 2000 - 2002. The difference is that the field was deeper and there were still surface specialists since the courts were really diferent at that time. Safin and Hewitt were good enough of hard courts but at grass and clay there were specialist who despite being old or injured could play well there.

Djoko has no real opossition now that Fed is Old and Nadal is injured and the surfaces are just the same all over the year.

GoodVibrations 01-27-2013 07:45 PM

I love that Murray suddenly "just isn't good enough" when about 40% of this board predicted that he'd win the AO.

90's Clay 01-27-2013 07:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GoodVibrations (Post 7173391)
I love that Murray suddenly "just isn't good enough" when about 40% of this board predicted that he'd win the AO.

Those are just "Mards"

Murray can't beat Nole on the big stage unless Nole lays a big egg like he did in the USO finals

OHBH 01-27-2013 07:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hops (Post 7173176)
Don't you know there has never been a strong era in the history of tennis? Just like the turtles, it's weak eras all the way down.

Really? take a look at the old ranking in past years

In 1990 you had 16 slam/eventual slam winners in the top 50 now we have 5 slam winners(granted we cannot be sure about eventual slam winners) and one of them has been sidelined most of the season. There is no depth in the second tier.

loci 01-27-2013 08:03 PM

weak era = poly strings and slower surfaces.

djokovic2008 01-27-2013 09:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ManFed (Post 7173384)
The field was deeper when Fed started to rise and before this risen than it is now.

Djoko emerge = Safin + Hewitt + Roddick emerge at 2000 - 2002. The difference is that the field was deeper and there were still surface specialists since the courts were really diferent at that time. Safin and Hewitt were good enough of hard courts but at grass and clay there were specialist who despite being old or injured could play well there.

Djoko has no real opossition now that Fed is Old and Nadal is injured and the surfaces are just the same all over the year.




Hewit= no power no threat
Roddick=no brains no touch or feel
Safin= inconsistent, head case

You call this strong lol

Jeffrey573639 01-27-2013 09:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by djokovic2008 (Post 7173570)
Hewit= no power no threat
Roddick=no brains no touch or feel
Safin= inconsistent, head case

You call this strong lol

era is on silent ban

ManFed 01-27-2013 10:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by djokovic2008 (Post 7173570)
Hewit= no power no threat
Roddick=no brains no touch or feel
Safin= inconsistent, head case

You call this strong lol

They battled against a deeper field. There were Old Sampras, Old Ivanisevic, Old Rafter, Old Krajicek and Henmann who could play well in the fast grass prior to 2002. There were good clay court specialists although old or injured or inconsistent like Old Kafelnikov, Old Moya, Kuerten, Chela, Ferrero, Costa, Gaudio etc. Agassi was there too in all surfaces, and he was playing well at that time. And of course, they battled against their own generation who were youngster at that time Safin, Hewitt, Roddick, Federer, Nalbandian, Hass, etc.

Djoko has nobody to battle against anymore. Old Fed who can only be a threat at Wimbledon if it is fast. Injured Nadal whose knees would only hold at clay and Murray who can only be a real obstacle at grass and fast hard courts.

No Doubt 2000 - 2002 has a much deeper field at Tier 1 and Tier 2 than today. The Djoker is winning the slams Hewitt, Safin, Roddick won at their time. Just look all the good player there were back at that time. Nowadays just three good players one is Old (Federer) and way past his prime; the other is Injured most of the time (Nadal) and the other is just not good enough even at his peak (Murray).

Peak Sampras, Peak Federer, Peak Nadal, Peak Safin and Peak Agassi; at least, could mop the floor with Peak Djoker at hard courts. At grass, a lot of players at their peak would mop the floor with Novak. At clay also a lot of player would defeat Novak (Peak Kuerten, Nadal, Peak Federer, Peak Agassi, etc).

Mainad 01-27-2013 10:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 90's Clay (Post 7173401)
Murray can't beat Nole on the big stage unless Nole lays a big egg like he did in the USO finals

Lol...that's virtually the same as saying Murray can't beat Djokovic on the big stage unless he actually does which he did at the USO finals, no matter what size and consistency of egg Djokovic was trying to lay.

Ergo...Murray has proved that he can beat Djokovic on the big stage because he has done so. Now whether he can do it consistently is yet to be seen.

adil1972 01-27-2013 10:25 PM

1st federer weak era, then nadal weak era and now djokovic weak era

maybe its opposite of weak era,

1st federer strong era, then nadal strong era and then djokovic strong era


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