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sepidoel 01-31-2013 11:30 PM

Volkl Organix 10 Mid Compared to Yonex Vcore Tour 89
 
This two new mid racquets have quite similar specs and prices, yet very good feedbacks. Has anyone tried to compare both of them?

Volkl Organix 10 Mid $189.99
Head Size: 93 sq. in. / 600 sq. cm.
Length: 27in / 68.58cm
Strung Weight: 11.8oz / 334.52g
Balance: 6 pts HL
Swingweight: 318
Stiffness: 59
Beam Width: 19.5mm / 19.5mm / 19.5mm /
Composition: Organix / Carbon / Fiberglass
String Pattern: 16 Mains / 19 Crosses
String Tension: 50-60 pounds

Yonex VCORE Tour 89 $189.00
Head Size: 89 sq. in. / 574.19 sq. cm.
Length: 27in / 68.58cm
Strung Weight: 12.1oz / 343.03g
Balance: 8 pts HL
Swingweight: 335
Stiffness: 64
Beam Width: 20.5mm / 20.5mm / 20mm /
Composition: Micro Core / X-Fullerene
String Pattern: 16 Mains / 20 Crosses
String Tension: 50-65 pounds

corners 02-01-2013 10:03 AM

The specs are not so similar - the yonex has much higher swingweight and is ten grams heavier. The yonex will be much more difficult to swing but more solid and stable on impact.

ASH1485 02-01-2013 09:19 PM

i dont think the specs are similar. i play the yonex andi can say that it is very solid and manuevrable. you would not feel a bit of the suggested swing weight, it is very very fast. the same goes for the head size you will feel that its a 95"

didnt try the volkel to give you a precise advice. but the 89 is truely an amazing racket.

sepidoel 02-02-2013 09:32 AM

I'd like not to be very strict on the written specs, and instead want to hear testimonies from field experience. IMO both racquets fall on similar categories: mid size, control oriented, fast (headlight and thin) and not a lightweight (for me it's a bit on the heavy side).

Quote:

Originally Posted by ASH1485 (Post 7185833)
i dont think the specs are similar. i play the yonex andi can say that it is very solid and manuevrable. you would not feel a bit of the suggested swing weight, it is very very fast. the same goes for the head size you will feel that its a 95"

didnt try the volkel to give you a precise advice. but the 89 is truely an amazing racket.

Just like what you said, I often heard that VCT89 shall have lighter SW than suggested. And quite funny I saw one comment about O10Mid that said quite the opposite:

Quote:

Comments: Love this racquet. Just ordered it after playing with the PB10 for a while. I strung it with X1 Biphase mains at 60 lbs and Pro Red Code crosses at 57 lbs. After hitting with it for a few hours today I find that it has a bit more power than the PB10 with no compromise on control. Seems to have a larger sweetspot and more spin potential as well. Feels a bit heavier than the PB10, higher swingweight probably, which actually works out better for me. Very arm friendly as well. Only downside is that serves didn't have much pop.
From: Harry, 1/13
Because PB10's SW is 320 so I assume he said that the actual SW felt heavier than on the paper.


It seems that it's still too early to ask this question.

APG 02-02-2013 10:25 AM

So subjective. Really like the whole package on the X10 mid.
I am inclined to add just a little more weight.

Matchball 02-02-2013 07:45 PM

I don't know about the specs on paper, but Sepidoel is right.

I own a pair of the Vcores 89 and I now have a pair of the Organix 10 mid. First thing I thought when I hit my first balls with the latter is that it is similar with the Vcore. Not only is the feel very close, but both sticks seem comfortable when you hit high enough on their sweet spot (if that makes any sense), which should be good for spiny diagonal strokes and kick serve junkies rather than complement flat hitters.

They both play crisp with surprising power and access to spin. I think I am getting more control from the Vcore (maybe the smaller head, dunno), but the Organix Mid could potentially suit a wider player base. It's a bit lighter with even more easily accessible power. That said they both come through the air nicely.

I will be surprised if we don't see another suggested comparison between these two in the future.

sepidoel 02-03-2013 07:35 AM

Thanks for sharing, Matchball. I still do hope more people will share their experience comparing both racquets. I copy your post in the X10Mid thread:

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Originally Posted by Matchball (Post 7187754)
I would describe the new Organix 10 Mid as "crisp-mute" rather than "buttery-mute". Hominator nailed it, the other guys here, too. I am not sure comfort or lack of vibrations or anything of the like is better or worse; I would say the new grip did not seem to make much of a difference.

Stability, yes, especially that tricky upper part of the hoop seems to be an addressed issue. Note that my PB 10s were less head light and the referenced problem of instability high up the head was really not obvious. I know it is inherently there in the "regular" more HL version, because I have a 3rd stick which is like this, more HL and definitely slightly different than the matched pair.

All in all, the new incarnation is a more modern stick, with unexpected pop right off the stringbed. It is easier to play with more margin from the net and you can potentially get more spin, possibly translating into a heavier ball.

The flex is totally different (not just because of the organix; notice that the throat area is different and that the frame is also a tad thicker - looks so, too).

The hard-core "traditionalists" won't like it that much, but people who did not fancy the soft feel and flex of the older version (or for some reason they were turned off by something), especially newcomers searching for plug 'n play easily accessible power and spin, might find some value/utility thanks to the new attributes.

In some aspects, this new frame felt like the Vcore 89 to me.

So can I say that X10Mid is more forgiving than VCT89?

Matchball 02-03-2013 12:02 PM

My pleasure to help as much as I can
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by sepidoel (Post 7188343)
Thanks for sharing, Matchball. I still do hope more people will share their experience comparing both racquets. I copy your post in the X10Mid thread:


So can I say that X10Mid is more forgiving than VCT89?

Well, first of all, please bear in mind that the "crisp-mute" term I used for the X10Mid is mostly for the purpose of comparison/contradiction with the old version. It has not been my intention to describe this as a typical crisp stick.

To answer your question I would say that this new Volkl would be more forgiving (unless you hit flat). You will get easier power, maybe even a bigger sweetspot, but don't think it will necessarily come through the air more easily. Have in mind that if there is something you specifically like about the VCT89, and I do suggest you demo both rackets, you can always ask for sticks with more manoeuvrable specs (balance or weight or the two combined) when you make a matching service request.

I contacted a few shops before I purchased the Organix 10 mids and I can't help but notice that finding (big enough) deviations in weight was more common than (big enough) deviations in balance for these. I have no idea about the Yonex's, mine seem to be a bit on the heavier side, but -still- they cut through the air nicely, not sluggish at all !

The way with which these two come through the air does not make them that different in my view and I would not base my decision on this factor. Moreover, the ability to play around with specs can equalize things if numbers are a concern. It goes without saying that demoing is the way to go.

I would like to hear back from you, soon.

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To make a long story short, X10 mid seems easier to handle because of:
1. Larger head/sweetspot
2. Plenty of power, slightly more easily accessible (for mid standards)
3. If you have above-average spin to keep the balls in play

VCT 89:
1. Could also be described as a baseliners mid*
2. You can still put massive amounts of spin for its size, but it can accommodate flat(ter) strokes better IMO
3. Liked it more when serving
4. Control seemed a bit better overall (see disclaimer and style of play issues)

* Sounds like an oxymoron, but it is nowadays used even for the case of mids; the newer generations are crisper, spinnier, with very good pop and a surprising level of comfort. While this can count as progress-made, feel is usually the price to pay, but I can assure you more modern and younger players won't mind or even notice.

Disclaimer: I have played longer with the VCT89. I play tested the X10 Mid during cold weather in outdoor courts at all times. I get the feeling that this Volkl needs more than the usual 2 pounds tension difference between mains and crosses, just like the older version, but I will wait for other people's views, too. No relative info on the USRSA site so far. Lastly I cannot really comment on volleying at this point, but it seems the X10Mid has a bit more put-away power.

sepidoel 02-03-2013 07:02 PM

Woa, thanks for the detailed review, it really is a mind opener. Unfortunately I live at oversea so demoing is not a choice - Volkl and Yonex aren't popular here.

From what you wrote I feel that VCT89 is more suitable for me; I have a style that love to shot into narrow gap, have adequate spin, 1HBH and welcome any help on serve. One thing very good on X10Mid is that I feel that I can use it longer (to my 40s perhaps) with its larger sweetspot and bigger power.

It would be nice to hear other's opinions too. :)


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