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JRAJ1988 02-06-2013 10:57 AM

Federer until 2003
 
What changed Federer from a top 10 player into the juggernaut of domination from 2004 onwards...was it because he played more from the baseline from 2004? or he just evolved as a player? I ask this as I'm watching Federer vs Philippoussis and he was serving volleying a lot.

mattennis 02-06-2013 11:09 AM

He improved his fitness, his mentality and his baseline game to the point that he could stay at the baseline against the best ones.

zam88 02-06-2013 11:11 AM

did federer also serve and volley at all in wimbledon 04 or 05, or was his style completely changed in that short time?

how about at the uso in '03?

ultradr 02-06-2013 11:12 AM

Footwork brought him into top 10 first before he even gets to the top spot.
The center of gravity got lowered compared to his rookie years.

The guy wasn't gifted like GOAT in terms of footwork.
He made conscious efforts and acquired beautiful and elegant footwork he has.

Then all the court surfaces got slowed between 2001 - 2004. And Federer
reduced S&V and won his 1st Wimbledon.

Sid_Vicious 02-06-2013 11:14 AM

PEDs.......

The Bawss 02-06-2013 11:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Sid_Vicious (Post 7195812)
PEDs.......

Beat me to it!

NadalDramaQueen 02-06-2013 11:22 AM

I would go with improved footwork and some stroke refinement along with a life altering event that changed and improved his mental outlook and fortitude.

:)

Mustard 02-06-2013 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by JRAJ1988 (Post 7195770)
What changed Federer from a top 10 player into the juggernaut of domination from 2004 onwards...was it because he played more from the baseline from 2004? or he just evolved as a player? I ask this as I'm watching Federer vs Philippoussis and he was serving volleying a lot.

He sorted his head out. Federer had all the talent, but the wrong mentality. In 2003, the winning mentality showed a lot of flashes, but it didn't come through fully until the 2003 Masters Cup in Houston, beating Agassi in the round robin match after being 1 point from losing. Once Federer sorted his head out, the pieces started coming together. When he had the right mentality and had banished his old demons, he was able to dominate the sport.

I also think that Peter Carter's death on the 1st August 2002 played a big part in his changed mentality.

tennis_pro 02-06-2013 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Mustard (Post 7195848)
He sorted his head out. Federer had all the talent, but the wrong mentality. In 2003, the winning mentality showed a lot of flashes, but it didn't come through fully until the 2003 Masters Cup in Houston, beating Agassi in the round robin match after being 1 point from losing. Once Federer sorted his head out, the pieces started coming together. When he had the right mentality and had banished his old demons, he was able to dominate the sport.

I also think that Peter Carter's death on the 1st August 2002 played a big part in his changed mentality.

Pretty much this.

The game was already there, the footwork was there but Federer wasn't fully mature mentally.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cZiE3leFF5o - this is Fed in January 2002

Mustard 02-06-2013 12:27 PM

In contrast, Hewitt was ready mentally from the beginning.

dudeski 02-06-2013 12:40 PM

Let me say it before 90's Clay and other trolls:

WEAK ERA

BauerAlmeida 02-06-2013 03:27 PM

His backhand improved a lot too.

Agassifan 02-06-2013 03:34 PM

Maturity....

ellipticality_224 02-06-2013 03:43 PM

I think he saw roddick's jumping two handed back hand and visor at number 1, and new that he had to get him out of there. Unfortunate, roddick is a great player, and probably would still be great, but federer messed that up

Vrad 02-06-2013 03:53 PM

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Originally Posted by tennis_pro (Post 7195915)
Pretty much this.

The game was already there, the footwork was there but Federer wasn't fully mature mentally.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cZiE3leFF5o - this is Fed in January 2002

At 4:37 he hits a backhand around the post, fitting it in the 2-3 feet between the post and the umpire's chair.

I had almost forgotten the days when I wouldn't hold my breath every time the ball went to his backhand side.

Federer20042006 02-06-2013 03:53 PM

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Originally Posted by tennis_pro (Post 7195915)
Pretty much this.

The game was already there, the footwork was there but Federer wasn't fully mature mentally.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cZiE3leFF5o - this is Fed in January 2002

Yeah, that video says it all. That's the same guy who dominated in terms of shots...he just didn't play like those highlights consistently enough.

Emet74 02-06-2013 04:30 PM

Mirka!

She came to live w/ Fed in 2003.

An ambitious partner can do wonders to concentrate the mind . . . :)

Sid_Vicious 02-06-2013 04:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Emet74 (Post 7196603)
Mirka!

She came to live w/ Fed in 2003.

An ambitious partner can do wonders to concentrate the mind . . . :)

Quick question. Are you Rene Stauffer?


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