Talk Tennis

Talk Tennis (http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/index.php)
-   General Pro Player Discussion (http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/forumdisplay.php?f=13)
-   -   Why did Federer stop using the drop shot in 2009/2010? (http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?t=453993)

tennis_pro 02-07-2013 08:27 AM

Why did Federer stop using the drop shot in 2009/2010?
 
It was a shot that led him to Madrid, FO, Wimbledon victories back in 2009. He kept using it in mid/late 2009 but with less and less frequency. Why do you think he switched back to his old game afterwards?

TheF1Bob 02-07-2013 08:29 AM

Probably because everybody is so fit these days, it's ineffective regardless what surface you're on.

SStrikerR 02-07-2013 09:18 AM

He overused it, and he knew it. It wouldn't be as effective a play if he kept doing that. He still uses it now more than he did before 2009.

Sid_Vicious 02-07-2013 09:23 AM

Federer loves drop shoting the lower ranked guys. He refrains from using it against Murray and Djokovic. Djokovic really thrashed Federer's drop shots in the AO 2011 SF. They even asked him in presser why he didn't use the drop shots in the match and Federer responded that the drop shot has to be extremely good otherwise Djokovic is all over it.

LittleTinGoddess 02-07-2013 10:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sid_Vicious (Post 7197967)
He refrains from using it against Murray and Djokovic.

Oh, yeah?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B4OcLUSwinE

Sid_Vicious 02-07-2013 11:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LittleTinGoddess (Post 7198133)

Good point. Federer did use it beautifully on Murray at Wimbledon. However, I haven't seen Federer use it that much against Murray and Djokovic on HCs. Murray completely blunted the vast majority of Federer's dropshots in their match a few weeks ago.

sureshs 02-07-2013 11:52 AM

Silent ban on drop shot?

Bobby Jr 02-07-2013 12:31 PM

I don't think he used it any less in 2009/2010 than other times (except before he used it a lot). The thing with his drop shot seems more to be how well he's picking it as a show choice.

When he played this year's Aussie Open he was doing it really well on the whole - and then against Murray he barely won a point when he tried it. It's not just that Murray is some super fast legend - rather that Federer was pressed to try something and was hitting them at inopportune moments more often than usual.

Le Master 02-07-2013 01:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LittleTinGoddess (Post 7198133)

That person should be banned from YouTube for uploading in that quality in 2012.

steenkash 02-07-2013 01:23 PM

1. He was making mistakes with it, players like Djocovic, Murray and Nadal easily punished it

2. Drop shots are only effective during long rallies, where it is so unexpected. But he tends to shorten his points nowadays.

NEW_BORN 02-07-2013 04:11 PM

If you saw what happened in the most recent match against Murray, the drop shot didn't work at all against Murray. He got there at the top of the bounce most times. These days it pretty much has to be perfect or it's adios senorita.

Bobby Jr 02-07-2013 04:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by steenkash (Post 7198445)
2. Drop shots are only effective during long rallies, where it is so unexpected.

No way. They are just as effective early on in rallies especially if you've just had a couple of long ones or you're on-serve and you can force your opponent into reactionary mode from behind the baseline.

Federer couldn't get Murray into this mode enough at the Aussie Open because he was hitting too poorly generally and serving too poorly - that's why he wasn't making the right decision time-wise with them.

LeeD 02-07-2013 04:32 PM

Not only did the competition get fitter and faster, quicker reacting and better at hitting either deep DTL or short angle topspin CC's, but now they're actually practicing against the drop shot.
And vid has shown tendencies, which everyone watches.

sportsfan1 02-07-2013 05:15 PM

I can't speak to specifically the 09/10 time period, but in general Federer has to get comfortable in the match to use the drop shot. It was the good ole days when he dominated the Djoker and whipped him around with his variety. Now the matches can get so close that drop shots are too risky.

Povl Carstensen 02-08-2013 12:04 AM

I remember one fatal drop shot miss against Nadal on clay I think (was it a set point?) around this time, maybe these things make an impression.

cork_screw 02-08-2013 12:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tennis_pro (Post 7197848)
It was a shot that led him to Madrid, FO, Wimbledon victories back in 2009. He kept using it in mid/late 2009 but with less and less frequency. Why do you think he switched back to his old game afterwards?

(eye roll)

He didn't stop using the drop shot 2009/2010. It's more like he started using the drop shot circa 2011 to present.

Do you know what confounders are? Look that up in the dictionary. A book printed as in Freakonomics utilizes this principle that is a result of absentmindedness.


All times are GMT -8. The time now is 05:44 AM.

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.6.9
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
© 2006 - Tennis Warehouse