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Hitman 02-09-2013 11:29 AM

The REAL Big Four - Predict their final title total
 
What do you all think would be the final tally of titles for each of Federer, Nadal, Djokovic and Murray? This is taking into account Slams, WTF, Olympics, Masters, 500s, 250s. Where do you see them all sitting when it is all over?

sureshs 02-09-2013 12:17 PM

Fed: 17

Djoker: 6

Murray: 1

Nadal: 24

kishnabe 02-09-2013 12:33 PM

500/250 are pointless


Federer: 21 Slams( 5 AO, 1-2 FO, 8 SW, 6-7 US) , 10 WTF, 3 Medals (G/S/B) 27 MS1000

Nadal: 15 Slams ( 1 AO, 10 FO, 3 SW, 1 US), 0 WTF, 2 Medals (2 G), 34 MS1000

Djokovic: 10 Slams ( 6 AO, 1 FO, 1 SW, 2 US), 2 WTF, 3 Medals (1 S/2 B), 19 MS1000

Murray: 3 Slams ( 1 AO, 0 FO, 1 SW, 2 US), 2 WTF, 4 Medals ( G/2 S/ B), 13 MS1000

xan 02-10-2013 05:25 AM

^riiight, so you expect federer to dominate again.
riiight...

kalyan4fedever 02-10-2013 06:50 AM

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cc0509 02-10-2013 06:56 AM

I don't know about WTF, Olympics, Masters, etc but for slams:

Federer: 17 or 18
Nadal: 14
Djokovic: 8 or 9
Murray: 3 or 4.

mariecon 02-10-2013 07:03 AM

Just slams:

Federer 25 (including titles lost to Nadal)
Djokovic 12 (including titles lost to Nadal)
Nadal 0 (stripped of all titles) (Soderling & Berdych benefit from this)
Murray 3 (2 USO and 1 W)

In a fair world this is how it would look.

Fiji 02-10-2013 07:09 AM

I'm just going to predict slams:

Federer 18
Nadal 13
Djokovic 9 or 10
Murray 5 or 6

batz 02-10-2013 07:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cc0509 (Post 7203916)
I don't know about WTF, Olympics, Masters, etc but for slams:

Federer: 17 or 18
Nadal: 14
Djokovic: 8 or 9
Murray: 3 or 4.

This implies that they are only going to win at most another 10 slams between them.

That's sounds a bit low to me - there are 15 slams between now and then end of 2016 - when Nole and Murray will be 29.

mariecon 02-10-2013 07:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by batz (Post 7203960)
This implies that they are only going to win at most another 10 slams between them.

That's sounds a bit low to me - there are 15 slams between now and then end of 2016 - when Nole and Murray will be 29.

There are other players. I should hope as these four age, other players will step up and start winning something. Otherwise this truly is a weak era.

Fiji 02-10-2013 07:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by batz (Post 7203960)
This implies that they are only going to win at most another 10 slams between them.

That's sounds a bit low to me - there are 15 slams between now and then end of 2016 - when Nole and Murray will be 29.

They will probably win about 12 of those 15 slams. But the other 3 slams will be won by others. 2016 is very far away. Give one of those to Del Potro. The remaining two give them to Tomic(?) and someone else under the radar atm. No way they will win all of the next 15 slams. Surprises always happen. Remember De Potro in 2009?

FEDERERNADAL13 02-10-2013 07:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kishnabe (Post 7202560)
500/250 are pointless


Federer: 21 Slams( 5 AO, 1-2 FO, 8 SW, 6-7 US) , 10 WTF, 3 Medals (G/S/B) 27 MS1000

Nadal: 15 Slams ( 1 AO, 10 FO, 3 SW, 1 US), 0 WTF, 2 Medals (2 G), 34 MS1000

Djokovic: 10 Slams ( 6 AO, 1 FO, 1 SW, 2 US), 2 WTF, 3 Medals (1 S/2 B), 19 MS1000

Murray: 3 Slams ( 1 AO, 0 FO, 1 SW, 2 US), 2 WTF, 4 Medals ( G/2 S/ B), 13 MS1000

I would love to see this happen! Fed win one more of everything (at least), 4 more WTFs would be epic, and a Gold and Bronze Olympic medal. To lead the title lists in the (arguably) most prestigious majors (WI and USO) would truly be fitting for the best player ever.

Rafa getting to 15 slams so he's ahead of Pete, and 10 RGs would be so cool, and the masters record should be his.

Djokovic getting to 10 slams and owning the all time AO record would be nice.

Murray getting 3 slams seems fair considering how much heartbreak he has endured.

Chanwan 02-10-2013 07:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hitman (Post 7202458)
What do you all think would be the final tally of titles for each of Federer, Nadal, Djokovic and Murray? This is taking into account Slams, WTF, Olympics, Masters, 500s, 250s. Where do you see them all sitting when it is all over?

I follow the rest and go for slam count - if Nadal keep playing 250 clay tournies, there's no sense in predicting how many titles, he will win.

Fed: 17-19
Nadal: 14-16
Djokovic: 10-12
Murray: 4-6

tudwell 02-10-2013 07:29 AM

Federer is currently at 76 and has averaged about five per year recently. I think he can continue winning four to six titles a year for at least the next two years, giving him about 86. After that, he'll be getting quite up there in age, so maybe only two or three titles a year for as many years as he plays till he retires. I'll say that'll be at least two years (at which point he'd be 35+), giving him over 90 titles. I'll guess 92.

Nadal is the hardest to predict. If he returns close to his 2011 or 2012 form, then I don't see him having another 2008- or 2010-level year, and he'll probably win somewhere around four or five titles a year for the next few years. He's gonna win lots of clay titles regardless - if he's not back to his best, then he probably won't continue to rack up slams and Masters at the same rate, but he'd probably continue to play smaller clay events in lieu of smaller hard court events. If he's back to his best, he'll challenge for and win some big hard court titles, but he'll hardly be dominant - and if his injury has proved to weaken him significantly, he might never win another hard court event again. I'll say he'll win about four titles per year for the next three years, and then two or three titles a year for a few years after that, resulting in a final tally of 69 titles.

Djokovic probably won't have another 2011, but he could easily have another 2012. I think he'll do a lot better than the two titles he won in 2010 for pretty much the rest of his career. I'm going to predict he wins around six titles in each of the next two years, at which point his average might drop down to around four for a few years before really petering off before he retires. I'm going to guess he'll win around 58 titles.

Murray's won a lot considering he has only one slam. Oddly enough, 2012 was the first year since 2007 that he didn't win two hard court Masters. I'm going to assume he returns to that previous rate of winning Masters and continues to win smaller titles, with a couple of slams here and there. Since his breakout in 2008, he's had three years where he won five or more titles, and two years where he won less than five titles (one of which, strangely, was 2012, the year in which he won his two biggest titles). I'm going to be optimistic and assume he gets back to around five titles a year for the next two or three years before he drops off and starts winning less and less. I predict he'll finish with 43 titles.

FEDERERNADAL13 02-10-2013 07:35 AM

What I Think/Hope:

Fed:

-20 slams: (4 AO, 2 RG, 8 WI, 6 USO)- One more RG (maybe this year ;) ), one more Wimby (this year or next), and one more USO (any of the next 3 years). At least 2 of everything, and a record at both USO and Wimby.

-7-8 WTFs: Fed should always be a threat here as long as he plays, and 1-2 more could happen, but they'll need to be in the next few years

-26 masters (5 more seems reasonable for Roger)

-91 titles overall, a good total for a "decent" player haha

Rafa:

-15 major titles: (2 AO, 10 RG, 2 WI, 1 USO)- Just demolishing the RG record, and getting another hardcourt slam. Rafa would easily be the best clay courter ever after this. I see him winning RG for a few more years, and getting one Hardcourt slam at some point.

-1 WTF- the guy is just too good to not win one at some point

-30 Masters titles: with so many clay masters, why won't he rack 'em up?

-70 titles

Djoker:


-11 slams: (7 AO, 1 RG, 2 WI, 2 USO) Owning the AO record, and a nice balanced slam count for Novak would be nice. He could get more or less, but this is my pick. I see him competing at all of the slams, but losing finals to Rafa and Murray every so often, which slows down his count a bit.

-3-4 WTFs: When Roger's gone this should be a great place for Novak vs. Murray vs. Everyone else, and I can see Novak winning a few here.

-20 masters: why not? 20 is a good number!

-58 titles overall

Murray:

-5 Slams (1 AO, 2 WI, 2 USO) He is a good grass-courter, deserves one AO, already has a USO, but I don't think he's gonna get a RG with Rafa and Nole around. Still, 5 slams is fantastic. I see him winning a slam here and there, especially if he shows the consistency he's had in the last couple of years.

- 1-2 WTFs: I'm sure Murray will get one eventually, maybe a few!

-13 Masters: 5 more, and with Novak, Rafa and Roger winning some it's hard to find a place for his!

-42 titles overall

Clarky21 02-10-2013 07:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mariecon (Post 7203934)
Just slams:

Federer 25 (including titles lost to Nadal)
Djokovic 12 (including titles lost to Nadal)
Nadal 0 (stripped of all titles) (Soderling & Berdych benefit from this)
Murray 3 (2 USO and 1 W)

In a fair world this is how it would look.

Yep, no Nadal bashing from you, huh? What a joke you are.

cc0509 02-10-2013 07:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by batz (Post 7203960)
This implies that they are only going to win at most another 10 slams between them.

That's sounds a bit low to me - there are 15 slams between now and then end of 2016 - when Nole and Murray will be 29.

Could be a bit low, it is just a rough estimate. There have got to be some younger players coming in to challenge the top four eventually. I know it does not seem like it now, but I think it will happen quickly and surprise people.

mariecon 02-10-2013 07:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Clarky21 (Post 7204000)
Yep, no Nadal bashing from you, huh? What a joke you are.

that's not bashing, it's just fact. Only problem is they probably won't give the titles to the runner-ups but rather just have no winner those years.:( Too bad for Soderling and Berdy, maybe their only titles lost right there.

Polaris 02-10-2013 07:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sureshs (Post 7202523)
Fed: 17

Djoker: 6

Murray: 1

Nadal: 24

17? Are you kidding?

Federer already has 22 Slams. You are forgetting 5 Real Slams.

:)

NadalAgassi 02-10-2013 07:44 AM

Federer- 17 slams. 23 Masters.

Djokovic- 14 slams. 7 Australian Opens, 2 French Opens, 2 Wimbledons, 3 U.S Opens. 20 Masters.

Nadal- 17 slams. 2 Australian Opens, 9 French Opens, 4 Wimbledons, 2 U.S Opens. 30 Masters.

Murray- 5 slams. 1 Australian Open, 1 Wimbledon, 3 U.S Opens. 22 Masters.


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