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babar 02-15-2013 10:14 AM

Weight and strength
 
I'm not a very big person. My arms and overall muscle tone is fairly average, if not below average. I'm about 5'8" and 160lbs and 39 yrs old. I feel that smaller/less strong players can benefit from heavy frames which help them compensate for the lack of physical power they can generate in their swings. Stronger players can play with lighter frames since they can grip and swing the frame with more muscle so as to negate the lack of stabiilty of lighter frames. I like playing with heavy frames, but I can't manage against heavy hitters very well with light frames. Overall, my biggest problem is putting the ball away. I can hit it hard, but just not enough to get it past many folks. I've tried power frames to help, but the lightness always seems to get in the way.

Should I just get a heavy frame and play with it and try to get stronger or resign myself to lighter frames in the hopes of learning to like them and harness their power? Any thoughts?

Boricua 02-15-2013 10:19 AM

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Originally Posted by babar (Post 7216101)
I'm not a very big person. My arms and overall muscle tone is fairly average, if not below average. I'm about 5'8" and 160lbs and 39 yrs old. I feel that smaller/less strong players can benefit from heavy frames which help them compensate for the lack of physical power they can generate in their swings. Stronger players can play with lighter frames since they can grip and swing the frame with more muscle so as to negate the lack of stabiilty of lighter frames. I like playing with heavy frames, but I can't manage against heavy hitters very well with light frames. Overall, my biggest problem is putting the ball away. I can hit it hard, but just not enough to get it past many folks. I've tried power frames to help, but the lightness always seems to get in the way.

Should I just get a heavy frame and play with it and try to get stronger or resign myself to lighter frames in the hopes of learning to like them and harness their power? Any thoughts?

I would go with the heavier frames. Ive used light rackets and they are more maneuvarable but the lack of mass makes one's game vulnerable in match play and against big hitters. I just got a Yonex VCORE Tour 97, 330 version. It will be rough and tough to get used to the weight maybe but then I will appreciate the stability, mass and plowthrough of this racket.

marosmith 02-15-2013 10:22 AM

Change string and tinker with lower tensions or higher powered string like gut before you make a radical racket adjustment.

TennisCJC 02-15-2013 10:28 AM

Try a Dunlop m3.0 and Dunlop f3.0. They are not too heavy - not too light, have sufficient weight in stock form to do damage and play high quality game, and you can add lead tape to turn it into a beast if you move up to higher levels. 22mm beam is sufficient for power and feel.

TennisCJC 02-15-2013 10:34 AM

Look at swingweight as a key number relating to power. Try to get something around 320 gram swing weight give or take 5 grams. That should give you adequate boom. And, it isn't too heavy for you. My wife is mid-50s and 120 lbs and plays swingweight 330 grams.

BalboaNoah 02-15-2013 10:47 AM

Hi,

i love heavy frames (around 13 oz) and am smaller sized (5'6" and 140lbs dripping wet). some of the put-away issue is the frame and some of it technique. you're probably actually swinging too hard with the heavy frame, and possibly giving too much topspin. i've done both, but have learned to relax the swing and let the frame mass do its thing. you'll get a faster swing, too. also, sometimes you have to flatten the put-away ball, especially if you play fast extremely mobile opponents.

Good luck!

Boricua 02-15-2013 10:52 AM

Never used the Blade, but some racketholics say that it is a light frame that has the stability and plowthrough of a heavier frame.

lstewart 02-15-2013 12:35 PM

At 160 lbs you certainly have the strength to use whatever you want. You body will get used to what you play with, and it will feel natural. I find that I need a little extra power to be competitive at my level than what I can get from a classic heavy frame. I'm taking a thin beam light weight flexible 102 frame, and then adding weight to get to 12 ounces. Gives me power, but still have some mass behind my shots.

db10s 02-15-2013 12:45 PM

I'm 5'5 105lbs (Disclaimer: I eat 3500 calories a day) and I'm 14 yrs old. I use a >12oz racket. Weight is a preference thing. If you can handle it, go for it.

kopfan 02-15-2013 02:09 PM

Rallying with heavy hitter does not means to out hitting them with all your power. Power can come from softer string, lower tension, lower ball arc and most effectively... SWEETSPOT. When a heavy shot hit to you, you can make contact with the dead center sweetspot with a more flat return shot, the ball will be even more heavy that your opponent's shot.

sunof tennis 02-15-2013 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by db10s (Post 7216538)
I'm 5'5 105lbs (Disclaimer: I eat 3500 calories a day) and I'm 14 yrs old. I use a >12oz racket. Weight is a preference thing. If you can handle it, go for it.

That disclaimer made all us old farts very jealous. Lol.

Hi I'm Ray 02-15-2013 03:13 PM

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Originally Posted by babar (Post 7216101)
I'm not a very big person. My arms and overall muscle tone is fairly average, if not below average. I'm about 5'8" and 160lbs and 39 yrs old. I feel that smaller/less strong players can benefit from heavy frames which help them compensate for the lack of physical power they can generate in their swings. Stronger players can play with lighter frames since they can grip and swing the frame with more muscle so as to negate the lack of stabiilty of lighter frames. I like playing with heavy frames, but I can't manage against heavy hitters very well with light frames. Overall, my biggest problem is putting the ball away. I can hit it hard, but just not enough to get it past many folks. I've tried power frames to help, but the lightness always seems to get in the way.

Should I just get a heavy frame and play with it and try to get stronger or resign myself to lighter frames in the hopes of learning to like them and harness their power? Any thoughts?

You don't need a ton of strength to hit the ball hard in tennis.

So far you only seem to be considering physical strength and racket weight. You've left out a lot of things, such as how fast your swing is, racket swingweight, strings, power of the actual frame, and plain & simple lead tape.

I don't want to get into the more complicated areas of technique which I'm sure someone will bring up. You can try adding some lead tape to a lighter, more powerful frame to boost the weight & swingweight.

BTW if you are really hitting it hard it should be getting past a lot of folks, unless its all going down the middle.

LeeD 02-15-2013 03:16 PM

Maybe it's more a issue of style of play for your body build?
A slow runner like myself, at 64 years old, cannot play a grinding baseline game against you youngsters, whether my racket is 12.7 oz or 10 oz strung.
So, facing old farts similar to my age, what ball will I ever face that I need a 12.7 oz racket to get the ball back with?
Most old farts hit at 32mph, and that's rating their first serves. Hitting a 32mh incoming ball with a 12.7 oz racket is a lesson in overkill, and inefficientcy.

Venetian 02-15-2013 03:23 PM

It's all about personal preference and what your body can handle. At 5'5" and 135lbs, I can't effectively swing a 12.0+ oz racquet. So I have to use something lighter. So in my case, heavier is not better, because I hit a point of diminishing returns at about 11oz.

dreamneedle 02-15-2013 03:24 PM

You should consult with a tennis coach. He/she could spot all the weak areas in your technique and help you improve.

db10s 02-15-2013 03:55 PM

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Originally Posted by sunof tennis (Post 7216732)
That disclaimer made all us old farts very jealous. Lol.

I guess I can get away with it playing everyday and then running a 5k in 22 mins... And then muscle strengthening everyday. Its more of a routine than anything else.

charliefedererer 02-16-2013 02:46 PM

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Originally Posted by babar (Post 7216101)
I'm not a very big person. My arms and overall muscle tone is fairly average, if not below average. I'm about 5'8" and 160lbs and 39 yrs old. I feel that smaller/less strong players can benefit from heavy frames which help them compensate for the lack of physical power they can generate in their swings. Stronger players can play with lighter frames since they can grip and swing the frame with more muscle so as to negate the lack of stabiilty of lighter frames. I like playing with heavy frames, but I can't manage against heavy hitters very well with light frames. Overall, my biggest problem is putting the ball away. I can hit it hard, but just not enough to get it past many folks. I've tried power frames to help, but the lightness always seems to get in the way.

Should I just get a heavy frame and play with it and try to get stronger or resign myself to lighter frames in the hopes of learning to like them and harness their power? Any thoughts?

Have you given any serious thought to getting stronger?

A great thing for tennis players is that strength gains are quite rapid for someone who has not lifted before.

The initial strength gains are from more muscle fibers being recruited rather than muscle hypertrophy - so there is virtually no gain in weight which could lead to loss in speed.

Being stronger doesn't automatically mean you can hit the ball harder - you still have to train the muscles to hit harder - but being stronger lets you play more tennis with less chance of an overuse injury.

ryydman 02-17-2013 02:57 AM

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Originally Posted by babar (Post 7216101)
I've tried power frames to help, but the lightness always seems to get in the way.

Aside from improving your timing to hit the sweetspot more often and working out to be stronger, why not just lead up the 'power frames' to make them more stable?


I've a leaded up PD, APD, AG4D500T and IG Instinct, they are all a lot more stable than in stock, i add around 15-20 grams using over grips / leather grips, lead tape and protection tape.

Blade BLX 98 is very stable as is DPro One 97. The sweet spot in the blade is huge.

robbo1970 02-18-2013 02:36 AM

I'm in no doubt that the OP is strong enough to swing and play with any racquet. I genuinely think we forget about those heavy wooden racquets that were standard back in the day.

But getting the right feel is important. I am of average build and average strength, but I do prefer a bit of weight on my racquet. I have found that a weight of around 325g is about right to get a nice solid feeling and easy access to power on my groundies, but manouvrable enough at the net and on serve to not wear my arm out too much.

I do like playing with a 350g racquet on occasion but after a couple of sets my serve starts to tail off a bit.

So to the OP, try a few racquets of reasonable weight and see which feels the best to you. I would say to go as heavy as you can, but light enough to whip it around if you need to.

babar 06-02-2013 05:57 PM

Thanks for all the comments.

I play with a BLX 6.1 right now strung with MSV Focus Hex 18g at 48lbs. I do swing pretty hard, but I hit a more upward stroke, so topspin is more pronounced. I can flatten the ball out, but I don't have as much depth control. I have added lead to this frame and other lighter ones, but I always seem to mess up the balance for myself. I really liked the K-Blade and did not like the BLX Blade. I haven't tried the newer blade yet. I might try that soon.

Based on the feedback here and on the courts from guys I hit with, it seems the more salient issue seems to be my swing. I need to learn how to hit through the court more and less loopy topspin.

The local coach here thinks my stroke is fine, just that I need to hit with better footwork so I transfer more body mass into my shot.

I guess more work to follow. . .

Thanks all.


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