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smoledman 02-22-2013 01:12 PM

Why Borg is the definitive Open Era GOAT
 
When he had won his 3 straight Channel slams - it really meant something. You could say in 1981 that Borg was by far the best Open Era player ever. Has anything Sampras or Fed done since been greater then Borg's achievements(6 FO, 5 consecutive Wimbys, 3 consecutive channel slams)?

LuckyR 02-22-2013 01:13 PM

Everyone gets an opinion... even silly ones...

DropShotArtist 02-22-2013 01:24 PM

17 slams
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smoledman 02-22-2013 01:28 PM

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Originally Posted by DropShotArtist (Post 7230937)
17 slams
/end thread

When Borg retired he has 50% more slams then the next best. Fed is only 21% up on Sampras. The point is it's not about the raw slam count, it's about real dominance in the Open Era.

forzamilan90 02-22-2013 01:32 PM

The way things stand, if we look at the credentials, Federer is definitively the best open era player. I can see a case for Borg being better than Sampras, since Sampras isn't as versatile as Fed.

kiki 02-22-2013 01:33 PM

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Originally Posted by smoledman (Post 7230941)
When Borg retired he has 50% more slams then the next best. Fed is only 21% up on Sampras. The point is it's not about the raw slam count, it's about real dominance in the Open Era.

True, Borg´s feats are mitical...and he left at 25ĦĦĦĦĦĦĦ

jimbo333 02-22-2013 01:36 PM

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Originally Posted by forzamilan90 (Post 7230947)
The way things stand, if we look at the credentials, Federer is definitively the best open era player. I can see a case for Borg being better than Sampras, since Sampras isn't as versatile as Fed.

Yes, I would say Federer is the best, and have Borg ahead of Sampras definitely!

kiki 02-22-2013 01:56 PM

If the greatness of a champion is measured by the toughness of his opposition, well, Borg stands alone.He played from Laver,Ashe,Newcombe,Smith and Rosewall to Mc Enroe,Lendl with Connors,Vilas,Nastase,Kodes,Panatta,Orantes,Gerula itis,Tanner or Okker in the middle.And to think that if he had played till 28 or 29 ( he retired at 25), he´d also have played Becker,Edberg and Wilander...

Maybe only Gonzales ( who played from Tilden to Connors ) and, of course, Rosewall ( who played from Kramer to Gerulalaitis) can equal that.

sonicare 02-22-2013 02:00 PM

I have Borg ahead of sampras/nadal too but just marginally behind fed in the open era

jimbo333 02-22-2013 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by kiki (Post 7230987)
If the greatness of a champion is measured by the toughness of his opposition, well, Borg stands alone.He played from Laver,Ashe,Newcombe,Smith and Rosewall to Mc Enroe,Lendl with Connors,Vilas,Nastase,Kodes,Panatta,Orantes,Gerula itis,Tanner or Okker in the middle.And to think that if he had played till 28 or 29 ( he retired at 25), he´d also have played Becker,Edberg and Wilander...

Maybe only Gonzales ( who played from Tilden to Connors ) and, of course, Rosewall ( who played from Kramer to Gerulalaitis) can equal that.

And of course Connors himself as well (70's and 80's tough eras in my opinion).

tennisaddict 02-22-2013 02:07 PM

Man,this thread should be moved to 60 plus age forum, for them to reminesce their school days. Clearly the sport has moved from the wooden stick , serve and volley game.

You need atletisicm, power, stamina 10 times what the olden players had to even be in the top 10.

THUNDERVOLLEY 02-22-2013 02:08 PM

Borg never won the Grand Slam, so while he was a fantastic player, he's not a part of any GOAT discussion.

sunof tennis 02-22-2013 02:09 PM

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Originally Posted by tennisaddict (Post 7231003)
Man,this thread should be moved to 60 plus age forum, for them to reminesce their school days. Clearly the sport has moved from the wooden stick , serve and volley game.

You need atletisicm, power, stamina 10 times what the olden players had to even be in the top 10.

You don't think Borg had athleticism, power or stamina? I would suggest you stop playing video games and look up some old Borg matches. You might learn something.

firepanda 02-22-2013 02:09 PM

This really should be in former pro player section. But I agree with the sentiment. His skill level will be nowhere near modern players, but his record is on the same level as Nadal and Federer, and above Sampras.

smoledman 02-22-2013 02:13 PM

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Originally Posted by THUNDERVOLLEY (Post 7231006)
Borg never won the Grand Slam, so while he was a fantastic player, he's not a part of any GOAT discussion.

Yeah but when Laver did it(1969) it was only grass/clay. He didn't have the brutal hardcourts to deal with yet.

tennisaddict 02-22-2013 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by sunof tennis (Post 7231009)
You don't think Borg had athleticism, power or stamina? I would suggest you stop playing video games and look up some old Borg matches. You might learn something.

With all respect to Borg for the class he had, he is a mental midget when it came to McEnroe. still cannot figure out why this guy at 25 dropped the ball and called it quits once he realized he was failing against Mac.

kiki 02-22-2013 02:16 PM

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Originally Posted by jimbo333 (Post 7230994)
And of course Connors himself as well (70's and 80's tough eras in my opinion).

yes, jimmy faced Rosewall and Courier.he belongs to that exclusive group.

kiki 02-22-2013 02:17 PM

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Originally Posted by THUNDERVOLLEY (Post 7231006)
Borg never won the Grand Slam, so while he was a fantastic player, he's not a part of any GOAT discussion.

Only Laver ( three times) and Budge did.

NatF 02-22-2013 02:17 PM

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Originally Posted by tennisaddict (Post 7231018)
With all respect to Borg for the class he had, he is a mental midget when it came to McEnroe. still cannot figure out why this guy at 25 dropped the ball and called it quits once he realized he was failing against Mac.

That's not why he quit, he lost his passion for the game. After he took a year out he was told he had to qualify to play Wimbledon (?) or some other tournament and he refused to do that.

The-Champ 02-22-2013 02:51 PM

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Originally Posted by kiki (Post 7231023)
Only Laver ( three times) and Budge did.

That is just insane. Talk about domination.


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