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naturallight 03-01-2013 06:15 AM

4.5C rating
 
Hi, sorry if this is dumb question, but what does the "C" in my 4.5C rating mean? I gather there are also 4.5A and 4.5B ratings. Does this mean I'm at risk of being moved down to 4.0?

I've only played USTA league for two years. The first year I got thrashed pretty good. Last year I had a winning record, but didn't play in as many matches.

thanks

J_R_B 03-01-2013 06:21 AM

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Originally Posted by naturallight (Post 7243788)
Hi, sorry if this is dumb question, but what does the "C" in my 4.5C rating mean? I gather there are also 4.5A and 4.5B ratings. Does this mean I'm at risk of being moved down to 4.0?

I've only played USTA league for two years. The first year I got thrashed pretty good. Last year I had a winning record, but didn't play in as many matches.

thanks

The letter only denotes how you got the rating:

A: Appeal
B: Benchmark (i.e. playoffs)
C: Computer
M: Mixed
S: Self-Rating
T: Tournament

This has nothing to do with how high or low you are in the group.

naturallight 03-01-2013 06:24 AM

ahh, thank you very much, J_R_B

gmatheis 03-01-2013 06:43 AM

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Originally Posted by naturallight (Post 7243788)
Hi, sorry if this is dumb question, but what does the "C" in my 4.5C rating mean? I gather there are also 4.5A and 4.5B ratings. Does this mean I'm at risk of being moved down to 4.0?

I've only played USTA league for two years. The first year I got thrashed pretty good. Last year I had a winning record, but didn't play in as many matches.

thanks

I'm sure someone will correct me if I'm wrong but I believe the following is true:

Computer rated means you played enough matches previously (usually only in the spring season) that your rating is established by the USTA algorythm. Players who are computer rated are not subject to disqualification (DQ) by strikes.

Computer rated people are still subject to mid season bumps , or a DQ by a USTA official.

Nellie 03-01-2013 06:55 AM

Off topic, but I am still trying to figure out the differences between B and C. I understand that B comes from going to playoffs, but I don't know if it has any difference when determining the dynamic rating. You would think that the B type rating is somehow "stickier."

schmke 03-01-2013 07:12 AM

A B means you played in the post-season/playoffs and as such have become a Benchmark against which others can have benchmark calculations done.

The USTA does this in an effort to try to normalize levels across sections by having an extra calculation included in the year-end rating where matches played against B rated players factor in in addition to the regular dynamic rating calculated throughout the year. Effectively, how players perform at local, district, sectional, and national playoffs trickles back down to players at the local level.

beernutz 03-01-2013 07:13 AM

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Originally Posted by J_R_B (Post 7243813)
The letter only denotes how you got the rating:

A: Appeal
B: Benchmark (i.e. playoffs)
C: Computer
M: Mixed
S: Self-Rating
T: Tournament

This has nothing to do with how high or low you are in the group.

An NTRP dynamically disqualified player becomes a benchmark too.

J_R_B 03-01-2013 07:16 AM

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Originally Posted by gmatheis (Post 7243867)
I'm sure someone will correct me if I'm wrong but I believe the following is true:

Computer rated means you played enough matches previously (usually only in the spring season) that your rating is established by the USTA algorythm. Players who are computer rated are not subject to disqualification (DQ) by strikes.

Computer rated people are still subject to mid season bumps , or a DQ by a USTA official.

C rated players are not subject to DQ either dynamically or by grievance.

gmatheis 03-01-2013 07:35 AM

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Originally Posted by beernutz (Post 7243938)
An NTRP dynamically disqualified player becomes a benchmark too.

If you mean someone that gets 3 strikes, then that's not true.

I was a self rated player and only played combo my first year so I carried my self rate into the next year, the next year i played "up" a level and was DQ'd at the lower level but I still had a "S" rating after the DQ (which did not affect me as I didn't play at that level after the first year).

beernutz 03-01-2013 10:07 AM

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Originally Posted by gmatheis (Post 7243996)
If you mean someone that gets 3 strikes, then that's not true.

I was a self rated player and only played combo my first year so I carried my self rate into the next year, the next year i played "up" a level and was DQ'd at the lower level but I still had a "S" rating after the DQ (which did not affect me as I didn't play at that level after the first year).

My statement was copied and pasted from the USTA website. I can't speak for your situation but everyone else I've known who has been dynamically DQ'ed was then rated as benchmark. How long ago did your situation occur?

tennisjon 03-01-2013 10:10 AM

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Originally Posted by J_R_B (Post 7243946)
C rated players are not subject to DQ either dynamically or by grievance.

What happens when you have someone who is 4.5 C but self-rated last year as 4.0 and is now rated 4.5? This person played D1 only 4 years ago and their captain filled out the form for them. Now, I have encountered this player as he is playing more matches and although he is computer rated, it is obvious that his original application was fraudulent.

goober 03-01-2013 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by tennisjon (Post 7244519)
What happens when you have someone who is 4.5 C but self-rated last year as 4.0 and is now rated 4.5? This person played D1 only 4 years ago and their captain filled out the form for them. Now, I have encountered this player as he is playing more matches and although he is computer rated, it is obvious that his original application was fraudulent.

I actually encountered a very similar situation: a ex D1 player in his mid 20s self rated 4.0. He originally played one season in another section and apparently nobody filed anything over there. When he moved to our section he played only 2 doubles 4.0 matches and some of mixed at various levels. So he flew under the radar. At the end of the year he got 4.0C rating. Then all the sudden he ended on a team that is known for taking out of level players. People researched his background and found he played D1 (low level) and actually won some matches in singles and dubs.

The response I got from the LC is since he has a C rating nothing could be done. No grievance would even be considered.

J_R_B 03-01-2013 10:49 AM

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Originally Posted by tennisjon (Post 7244519)
What happens when you have someone who is 4.5 C but self-rated last year as 4.0 and is now rated 4.5? This person played D1 only 4 years ago and their captain filled out the form for them. Now, I have encountered this player as he is playing more matches and although he is computer rated, it is obvious that his original application was fraudulent.

I think you're out of luck, unfortunately. I asked this exact question at the Middle States NJ captain's meeting earlier this month and was told that once a player gets a computer rating, it's considered valid even if the self-rating was fraudulent.

A couple years ago, we found a player in PA who self-rated 4.0 while playing for a D1 school (which should be min 5.5), but by the time anyone noticed, he was C rated. He's still 4.0. Of course, he's also only a 4.0/borderline 4.5 player playing for a bad D1 school, but nonetheless, he was allowed to stay 3 levels below his self-rating guideline.

Govnor 03-01-2013 10:57 AM

"A couple years ago, we found a player in PA who self-rated 4.0 while playing for a D1 school (which should be min 5.5), but by the time anyone noticed, he was C rated. He's still 4.0. Of course, he's also only a 4.0/borderline 4.5 player playing for a bad D1 school, but nonetheless, he was allowed to stay 3 levels below his self-rating guideline."

Maybe I'm way off base here, but how can any kid playing for a D1 school be a 4.0/4.5?? That seems impossible.

J_R_B 03-01-2013 11:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Govnor (Post 7244673)
"A couple years ago, we found a player in PA who self-rated 4.0 while playing for a D1 school (which should be min 5.5), but by the time anyone noticed, he was C rated. He's still 4.0. Of course, he's also only a 4.0/borderline 4.5 player playing for a bad D1 school, but nonetheless, he was allowed to stay 3 levels below his self-rating guideline."

Maybe I'm way off base here, but how can any kid playing for a D1 school be a 4.0/4.5?? That seems impossible.

The team is a very low level D1 team and plays most of its non-conference matches against D2 and D3 teams. He was playing regularly, but they recruited a couple legitimate D1 players last year, so now he's relegated to occasional doubles play. I don't know what to tell you other than that. He has a winning record at 4.0, but he's also lost a bunch of critical matches, too.

goober 03-01-2013 11:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Govnor (Post 7244673)
"A couple years ago, we found a player in PA who self-rated 4.0 while playing for a D1 school (which should be min 5.5), but by the time anyone noticed, he was C rated. He's still 4.0. Of course, he's also only a 4.0/borderline 4.5 player playing for a bad D1 school, but nonetheless, he was allowed to stay 3 levels below his self-rating guideline."

Maybe I'm way off base here, but how can any kid playing for a D1 school be a 4.0/4.5?? That seems impossible.

It is possible- the lowest level D1 schools have walk ons who might play their lower lines or sub in.

Govnor 03-01-2013 11:05 AM

Wow....so there basically isn't even a Tennis program at those schools??

edit* I re-read. OK, so they could be filling up numbers if they don't have players.

Fuji 03-01-2013 11:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Govnor (Post 7244697)
Wow....so there basically isn't even a Tennis program at those schools??

edit* I re-read. OK, so they could be filling up numbers if they don't have players.

That's sometimes an issue with tennis teams at University/college level, they just need roster requirements. :)

-Fuji

Costagirl 03-01-2013 11:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by J_R_B (Post 7243813)
The letter only denotes how you got the rating:

A: Appeal
B: Benchmark (i.e. playoffs)
C: Computer
M: Mixed
S: Self-Rating
T: Tournament

This has nothing to do with how high or low you are in the group.

I also didn't have a clue to this one. Thanks for clarifying!:confused:

gmatheis 03-01-2013 02:40 PM

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Originally Posted by beernutz (Post 7244512)
My statement was copied and pasted from the USTA website. I can't speak for your situation but everyone else I've known who has been dynamically DQ'ed was then rated as benchmark. How long ago did your situation occur?

I recieved my DQ in the 2012 spring season.

Think about it ... if you are a 5.0 but you self rate as a 3.0 and get DQ'd to 3.5 why would you be a computer rated 3.5? The only thing they know is that you are too good for 3.0


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