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kiki 03-02-2013 11:16 AM

amazing fields overcame at regular events like Kodes in Madrid 75
 
We all know how Kodes won the 73 Wimbledon with a field that included Borg,Connors and Nastase, as well as Amritraj, even if he didn´t met any of the first three.he also had amazing runs at the 71 USO, beating all time greats like Newcombe,Toni Roche and ashe but failed to beat Stan Smith in the final match...but few know he won the Madrid GP title in 75, a bit past his prime, over an all time studded field that included, all at their primes, Borg, Panatta,Nastase,Orantes, Vilas and other greats like Okker,Fillol,Bertolucci,Barazzutti,Dibbs.The event was a regular series event.

That made me wonder how many regular series fields have had a winner that can overcome, day in day out, an explosive field.I am not refeering to GS titles or other majors like Masters or WCT Championships ( or even current Mmasters Series ebvents) that are much more well known and, of course, had the whole best package playing there...I mean regular series; F.e., I.Lendl won 1981 Barcelona beating Orantes,Panatta ( both past prime but still excelent on clay), Noah and Vilas.In 1980 Montecarlo, Borg had to beat Lendl,Mc namara,Clerc, Gerulaitis and Vilas to claim the title.within twelve months ALL THOSE 5 GUYS would rank in the top ten...

How many comparable cases can you bring up? there should be a few ones...

Goosehead 03-02-2013 11:36 AM

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Originally Posted by kiki (Post 7246424)
We all know how Kodes won the 73 Wimbledon with a field that included Borg,Connors and Nastase, as well as Amritraj, even if he didn´t met any of the first three.he also had amazing runs at the 71 USO, beating all time greats like Newcombe,Toni Roche and ashe but failed to beat Stan Smith in the final match...but few know he won the Madrid GP title in 75, a bit past his prime, over an all time studded field that included, all at their primes, Borg, Panatta,Nastase,Orantes, Vilas and other greats like Okker,Fillol,Bertolucci,Barazzutti,Dibbs.The event was a regular series event.

That made me wonder how many regular series fields have had a winner that can overcome, day in day out, an explosive field.I am not refeering to GS titles or other majors like Masters or WCT Championships ( or even current Mmasters Series ebvents) that are much more well known and, of course, had the whole best package playing there...I mean regular series; F.e., I.Lendl won 1981 Barcelona beating Orantes,Panatta ( both past prime but still excelent on clay), Noah and Vilas.In 1980 Montecarlo, Borg had to beat Lendl,Mc namara,Clerc, Gerulaitis and Vilas to claim the title.within twelve months ALL THOSE 5 GUYS would rank in the top ten...

How many comparable cases can you bring up? there should be a few ones...

why do you keep banging on and on about jan kodes and wimbledon 1973..:confused:

everyone withdrew before the start..kodes and taylor were seeds no2 and no3..before the boycott they were seeds no15 and no16..nastase was the only decent player and he lost early, borg had just had his 17th burfday and was playing his first wimbledon..kodes didnt play them anyway :?

amritraj was a lucky loser..the only 'pre boycott seed' kodes faced was original no16 seed bumped up to no3 seed roger taylor in the sf..

weakest draw of all time...get over it 40yrs late and move on :confused:

kiki 03-02-2013 01:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Goosehead (Post 7246443)
why do you keep banging on and on about jan kodes and wimbledon 1973..:confused:

everyone withdrew before the start..kodes and taylor were seeds no2 and no3..before the boycott they were seeds no15 and no16..nastase was the only decent player and he lost early, borg had just had his 17th burfday and was playing his first wimbledon..kodes didnt play them anyway :?

amritraj was a lucky loser..the only 'pre boycott seed' kodes faced was original no16 seed bumped up to no3 seed roger taylor in the sf..

weakest draw of all time...get over it 40yrs late and move on :confused:

You forgot, deliberately or not, jimmy connors.

Anyway, it is just an example.I don´t have any interest in giving it more thought and I think the Wimbledon issue is already overdiscussed here.

ARFED 03-02-2013 02:13 PM

Dubai-2012

A field that included: Djokovic, Federer, Murray, Del Potro, Berdych, Tsonga, Tipsarevic, Gasquet, Dolgopolov, Baghdatis, Fish, Davydenko, Ljubicic, Youzhny, Lopez, Llodra.

11 out of the top 20 players in the world, most of them in their primes. And some other great players too.

Guess who won...

Xavier G 03-02-2013 02:13 PM

Some of the clay courts events in the 70's and 80's as in Madrid and Barcelona had great fields.
kiki, in 1982, Wilander beat Lendl, Clerc and Vilas in successive rounds to win Barcelona.
A few months earlier, Mats had beaten Lendl, Gerulaitis, Clerc and Vilas to win the French!

kiki 03-02-2013 02:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Xavier G (Post 7246719)
Some of the clay courts events in the 70's and 80's as in Madrid and Barcelona had great fields.
kiki, in 1982, Wilander beat Lendl, Clerc and Vilas in successive rounds to win Barcelona.
A few months earlier, Mats had beaten Lendl, Gerulaitis, Clerc and Vilas to win the French!

Yes, that is truth.I think Lendl tried to beat Wilander by...serving and volleying on clayˇˇˇ.

hoodjem 03-02-2013 02:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Goosehead (Post 7246443)
everyone withdrew before the start..kodes and taylor were seeds no2 and no3..before the boycott they were seeds no15 and no16..nastase was the only decent player and he lost early, borg had just had his 17th burfday and was playing his first wimbledon..kodes didnt play them anyway

When is my burfday?:oops:

Have I ever had a burfday?:-?

Goosehead 03-02-2013 03:02 PM

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Originally Posted by kiki (Post 7246586)
You forgot, deliberately or not, jimmy connors.

Anyway, it is just an example.I don´t have any interest in giving it more thought and I think the Wimbledon issue is already overdiscussed here.

ok then..ahem..also featuring was jimmy connors..pre preak age 20 another player kodes didnt play when he won wimby 73, when 14 of the 16 seeds withdrew.

Goosehead 03-02-2013 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by hoodjem (Post 7246780)
When is my burfday?:oops:

Have I ever had a burfday?:-?

i spelt it wrong..i meant burfdayy, not burfday.

TMF 03-02-2013 11:22 PM

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Originally Posted by ARFED (Post 7246718)
Dubai-2012

A field that included: Djokovic, Federer, Murray, Del Potro, Berdych, Tsonga, Tipsarevic, Gasquet, Dolgopolov, Baghdatis, Fish, Davydenko, Ljubicic, Youzhny, Lopez, Llodra.

11 out of the top 20 players in the world, most of them in their primes. And some other great players too.

Guess who won...

Definitely the field was stronger than 1973 Wimbledon despite it's only an ATP500 series.

gavna 03-02-2013 11:32 PM

Wimby 1973 was a joke and should have a HUGE * by it..........

kiki 03-03-2013 11:46 AM

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Originally Posted by gavna (Post 7247760)
Wimby 1973 was a joke and should have a HUGE * by it..........

Did you watch any tennis in the early 70´s?

gavna 03-04-2013 04:59 AM

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Originally Posted by kiki (Post 7248565)
Did you watch any tennis in the early 70´s?

Something like 80 of the top 100 boycotted Wimby........ Absolute joke of an event. Metreveli played no one - yes Connors and Borg played but both were just starting out - Borg was what 15?

Best part of he whole thing was the doubles won by Connors and Nastase - lots of antics.

I was there in person FYI - Kodes at the time was what seeded 15 or 16 and after the boycott started jumped all the way to no.2!

Kodes had a good run in 73 - the only reason he was ranked as high as he got (no 4 in 73) was the Wimby and a great run at the USO......after that he was what he was a very good clay courter. After his summer of 73 he didn't win another event until 1975 (clay of course).

Goosehead 03-04-2013 08:09 AM

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Originally Posted by gavna (Post 7249853)
Something like 80 of the top 100 boycotted Wimby........ Absolute joke of an event. Metreveli played no one - yes Connors and Borg played but both were just starting out - Borg was what 15?

Best part of he whole thing was the doubles won by Connors and Nastase - lots of antics.

I was there in person FYI - Kodes at the time was what seeded 15 or 16 and after the boycott started jumped all the way to no.2!

Kodes had a good run in 73 - the only reason he was ranked as high as he got (no 4 in 73) was the Wimby and a great run at the USO......after that he was what he was a very good clay courter. After his summer of 73 he didn't win another event until 1975 (clay of course).

Borg was 17yrs old..in his first wimbledon.

kiki 03-04-2013 08:27 AM

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Originally Posted by gavna (Post 7249853)
Something like 80 of the top 100 boycotted Wimby........ Absolute joke of an event. Metreveli played no one - yes Connors and Borg played but both were just starting out - Borg was what 15?

Best part of he whole thing was the doubles won by Connors and Nastase - lots of antics.

I was there in person FYI - Kodes at the time was what seeded 15 or 16 and after the boycott started jumped all the way to no.2!

Kodes had a good run in 73 - the only reason he was ranked as high as he got (no 4 in 73) was the Wimby and a great run at the USO......after that he was what he was a very good clay courter. After his summer of 73 he didn't win another event until 1975 (clay of course).

Kodes proved to be a worthy W champ at FH
You know Borg also did so: win W and USO F

abmk 03-04-2013 08:41 AM

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Originally Posted by kiki (Post 7250165)
Kodes proved to be a worthy W champ at FH

you mean like how wilander proved to be a worthy W champ @ the AO ? :twisted:

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Originally Posted by kiki (Post 7250165)
You know Borg also did so: win W and USO F

that's downright rubbish ....... borg won 5 consecutive wimbledons against full fields ....

kodes won wimbledon in an extremely weak year due to the boycott ......

gavna 03-04-2013 12:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Goosehead (Post 7250147)
Borg was 17yrs old..in his first wimbledon.

Yea I was doing a quick addition in my head without double checking as I was typing....I was counting from 1956 - Borg was not yet in God mode:)


But to keep claiming that the 1973 Wimby was anything but weak is crazy.......absolute sham of an event, when 80% of the top players are not there it was a joke.

boredone3456 03-04-2013 01:11 PM

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Originally Posted by gavna (Post 7250501)
Yea I was doing a quick addition in my head without double checking as I was typing....I was counting from 1956 - Borg was not yet in God mode:)


But to keep claiming that the 1973 Wimby was anything but weak is crazy.......absolute sham of an event, when 80% of the top players are not there it was a joke.

Wimby in 1973 in todays terms would be equivalent to a 250 with way more players.

kiki 03-04-2013 02:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Goosehead (Post 7250147)
Borg was 17yrs old..in his first wimbledon.

Borg beat A Ashe, former USO champion and former year finalist on the FH grass , just about two month after achieving the last eight round at the London tournament....

kiki 03-04-2013 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by abmk (Post 7250189)
you mean like how wilander proved to be a worthy W champ @ the AO ? :twisted:



that's downright rubbish ....... borg won 5 consecutive wimbledons against full fields ....

kodes won wimbledon in an extremely weak year due to the boycott ......

Kodes Wimbledon title was no fluke, since he would prove it beating world´s number one and former US champion Stan Smith at the Forest Hills semifinal, before 5 sets specialist Newcombe beat him in one of the most doggy finals that anybody can recall.

But, ohˇ what a surpriseˇˇˇ that jan Kodes, not only reached the Wimbledon semis just one year before taking the ultimate price...but he also beat all time greats Ashe,Roche and Newcombe at the 1971 USO before losing a close 4 sets final to smith.

Learn history and then come back and post.


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