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timnz 03-03-2013 02:00 PM

Who holds the Open era winning streak record
 
In these two places it says that Borg had a 49 match winning streak.


"It was Borg’s first defeat in 50 matches"

http://sportsthenandnow.com/2010/07/...-the-u-s-open/

Talking about Vilas......" 46-match all-surface winning streak, third all-time behind Björn Borg's records of 49 and 48 consecutive matches won"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guillermo_Vilas

But here it says that Borg best streak was 43 matches

"On the list of open era winning streaks, Borg is third (43 consecutive tour matches in 1978), tied with Novak Djokovic"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bj%C3%B...eer_statistics

The 43 streak is what I have heard about before.

Apparently Borg was undefeated between early March 1978 and early September 1978 - where this 49 match streak happened apparently.


So what is it? 49 or 43......??

And what is this 48 streak mentioned also.

BobbyOne 03-03-2013 02:21 PM

[quote=timnz;7248846]In these two places it says that Borg had a 49 match winning streak.


"It was Borg’s first defeat in 50 matches"

http://sportsthenandnow.com/2010/07/...-the-u-s-open/

Talking about Vilas......" 46-match all-surface winning streak, third all-time behind Björn Borg's records of 49 and 48 consecutive matches won"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guillermo_Vilas

But here it says that Borg best streak was 43 matches

"On the list of open era winning streaks, Borg is third (43 consecutive tour matches in 1978), tied with Novak Djokovic"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bj%C3%B...eer_statistics

The 43 streak is what I have heard about before.

Apparently Borg was undefeated between early March 1978 and early September 1978 - where this 49 match streak happened apparently.


So what is it? 49 or 43......??

And what is this 48 streak mentioned also.[/QUOTE.

timnz, I still believe that Vilas had a winning streak of 50 in 1977.

timnz 03-03-2013 02:48 PM

[quote=BobbyOne;7248884]
Quote:

Originally Posted by timnz (Post 7248846)
In these two places it says that Borg had a 49 match winning streak.


"It was Borg’s first defeat in 50 matches"

http://sportsthenandnow.com/2010/07/...-the-u-s-open/

Talking about Vilas......" 46-match all-surface winning streak, third all-time behind Björn Borg's records of 49 and 48 consecutive matches won"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guillermo_Vilas

But here it says that Borg best streak was 43 matches

"On the list of open era winning streaks, Borg is third (43 consecutive tour matches in 1978), tied with Novak Djokovic"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bj%C3%B...eer_statistics

The 43 streak is what I have heard about before.

Apparently Borg was undefeated between early March 1978 and early September 1978 - where this 49 match streak happened apparently.


So what is it? 49 or 43......??

And what is this 48 streak mentioned also.[/QUOTE.

timnz, I still believe that Vilas had a winning streak of 50 in 1977.

Are you including the Rye tournament Bobby? But that wasn't an official tournament was it? But if you did include that, wouldn't that mean that for Borg's total we include tournaments like the Tokyo Suntory Cup? (you could also throw in for Borg some or all of (Goteborg Scandinavian Cup, Copenhagen Pondus Cup, Menton French Riviera Invitational, Frejus Arena Trophy)). Certainly the Rye tournament wasn't of more stature than the Suntory Cup?

Anyway, the main thing I am trying to find out was - was it 49 or 43 for Borg?

BobbyOne 03-03-2013 03:02 PM

[quote=timnz;7248940]
Quote:

Originally Posted by BobbyOne (Post 7248884)

Are you including the Rye tournament Bobby? But that wasn't an official tournament was it? But if you did include that, wouldn't that mean that for Borg's total we include tournaments like the Tokyo Suntory Cup? (you could also throw in for Borg some or all of (Goteborg Scandinavian Cup, Copenhagen Pondus Cup, Menton French Riviera Invitational, Frejus Arena Trophy)). Certainly the Rye tournament wasn't of more stature than the Suntory Cup?

Anyway, the main thing I am trying to find out was - was it 49 or 43 for Borg?

timnz, Yes it's the problem with the ATP counting and overall counting. Rye tournament was probably not an official event.

But I remember that even ATP many years ago did state 50 Vilas matches in a row.

By the way, ATP perhaps still does not include the 1968 PSW L.A. win for Laver in the latter's tournament record even though I have written them a few times...

Nadal_Power 03-04-2013 04:14 AM

http://voodemar.com/the-end-of-djoko...inning-streak/

jean pierre 03-04-2013 08:56 AM

Vilas has the record. 46 matches consecutively won in 1977.

Mustard 03-04-2013 03:10 PM

Regarding Borg, while walkover losses don't count on head-to-head records or win-loss records, they do end any winning streaks.

hoodjem 03-04-2013 03:51 PM

I thought it was Mac in '84.?

timnz 03-04-2013 04:51 PM

What about Borg
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by jean pierre (Post 7250212)
Vilas has the record. 46 matches consecutively won in 1977.

What about Borg's 49 straight in 1978 ? Or his 48 straight in 1979-1980?

jean pierre 03-05-2013 01:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hoodjem (Post 7250856)
I thought it was Mac in '84.?

No, 42 for Mcenroe, 46 for Vilas. McEnroe has the record of matches won consecutively FROM THE BEGGINING OF THE YEAR, not the record of matches won consecutively.

jean pierre 03-05-2013 09:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by timnz (Post 7250999)
What about Borg's 49 straight in 1978 ? Or his 48 straight in 1979-1980?

In 1978, it was 31. In 1979-1980, 41. Vilas has the record.

timnz 03-05-2013 10:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jean pierre (Post 7252350)
In 1978, it was 31. In 1979-1980, 41. Vilas has the record.

I know he was unbeaten from early march, 1978 to early sept. 1978. He only played 31 official matches in that period? Why do so many say 49?

Nadal_Power 03-05-2013 01:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by timnz (Post 7252453)
I know he was unbeaten from early march, 1978 to early sept. 1978. He only played 31 official matches in that period? Why do so many say 49?

Very simple.. he won 49 consecutive matches, but he had 2 W/O's on the way.. not a win and a loss either

krosero 03-05-2013 07:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by timnz (Post 7248846)
In these two places it says that Borg had a 49 match winning streak.


"It was Borg’s first defeat in 50 matches"

http://sportsthenandnow.com/2010/07/...-the-u-s-open/

Talking about Vilas......" 46-match all-surface winning streak, third all-time behind Björn Borg's records of 49 and 48 consecutive matches won"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guillermo_Vilas

But here it says that Borg best streak was 43 matches

"On the list of open era winning streaks, Borg is third (43 consecutive tour matches in 1978), tied with Novak Djokovic"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bj%C3%B...eer_statistics

The 43 streak is what I have heard about before.

Apparently Borg was undefeated between early March 1978 and early September 1978 - where this 49 match streak happened apparently.


So what is it? 49 or 43......??

And what is this 48 streak mentioned also.

Here is something from The Montreal Gazette the day after Vilas beat Borg in the Nations Cup (1980):
The defeat ruined Borg’s chance of equaling Vilas’ record of winning 50 straight singles matches in 1977.

Borg had a string of 49, starting September 6, 1979 during the U.S. Open.

In 22 matches, Vilas and Borg played against each other, the Swede has won 17 and Vilas five.

krosero 03-05-2013 07:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by timnz (Post 7248940)
Are you including the Rye tournament Bobby? But that wasn't an official tournament was it? But if you did include that, wouldn't that mean that for Borg's total we include tournaments like the Tokyo Suntory Cup? (you could also throw in for Borg some or all of (Goteborg Scandinavian Cup, Copenhagen Pondus Cup, Menton French Riviera Invitational, Frejus Arena Trophy)). Certainly the Rye tournament wasn't of more stature than the Suntory Cup?

It's a good point, timnz. Borg played so many events that are not official, it's a big question what to include.

We can easily list everything that Borg played in matches considered official by the ATP today. It's a little harder to get a full list of everything that Borg and Vilas played, but the records exist. I think PC1 has a full record of Borg's matches; and maybe all his matches are on Wikipedia already, somewhere (I haven't checked).

I'm just saying, it would be good to have complete lists of all matches played, and to see what the winning streaks would be then (they might be shorter or longer). From that point you could begin cutting "exos" out, and perhaps cutting everything non-official out so we know what the "official" winning streaks are.

That would make a lot of lists; but I just think it would be great to have an easily accessible list of all matches played for Borg and Vilas in the seasons in question. Once everything is on the table, you could begin sorting it out.

krosero 03-05-2013 07:57 PM

Borg's 1978 streak was reported as 55 straight, in the press reports of the time (I found it in a United Press International report).

During the '78 USO final, Tony Trabert said that Borg had last lost a match on March 3rd, to Tom Gullikson in Miami.

krosero 03-05-2013 07:59 PM

I think World Book Encyclopedia reported in 1981 that Borg won 82 of 84 matches from Wimbledon 1979 to Wimbledon 1980. The two losses would be to Tanner at the USO and Vilas at the Nations Cup.

abmk 03-05-2013 09:08 PM

^^

Slightly off-topic, but I do believe borg is under-rated by many those who just think of the major count ...he had a very high winning % in his best years and was dominant @ the major events as well ...

comparisons to nadal are there , but this is one area where nadal falls considerably

the only other satisfying both criteria in the open era is federer ...

abmk 03-05-2013 09:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mustard (Post 7250794)
Regarding Borg, while walkover losses don't count on head-to-head records or win-loss records, they do end any winning streaks.

why would you considering a walkover as ending a winning streak ?

no one said federer's streak on grass ended when haas gave him a walkover in wimbledon 2007

no one said djokovic's streak in 2011 ended when fognini gave him a walkover in RG 2011

Mustard 03-06-2013 08:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by abmk (Post 7253749)
why would you considering a walkover as ending a winning streak ?

no one said federer's streak on grass ended when haas gave him a walkover in wimbledon 2007

no one said djokovic's streak in 2011 ended when fognini gave him a walkover in RG 2011

I said walkover losses, so Borg or Federer or Djokovic LOSING by walkover.


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