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Why did expert Commentators call Djokovic's 2011 best open era season ever?
Djokovic had this incredibly good season in 2011. But when you compare it to other open era seasons, it shows up as very good, but is far from unique:
# Player Matches Year 1 Björn Borg (Sweden) 49 1978 2 Björn Borg (Sweden) 48 1979–80 3 Guillermo Vilas (Argentina) 46 1977 4 Ivan Lendl (Czechoslovakia) 44 1981–82 5 Novak Djokovic (Serbia) 43 2010–11 6 John McEnroe (U.S.) 42 1984 7 Roger Federer (Switzerland) 41 2006–07 8 Thomas Muster (Austria) 35 1995 = Roger Federer (Switzerland) 35 2005 10 Rafael Nadal (Spain) 32 2008 So it was the fifth best consecutive match win season. How about winning percentage in the season? I read somewhere it was around 10th in the open era? (Please can you verify someone?) So why were people like Becker and McEnroe saying it was the best open era season ever? My theory is that people have very short memories in tennis. People often see the current number 1 as 'the best ever' because they assume that tennis players are getting better all the time (this is unfounded and never has been proven). I think though Djokovic's 2011 was unique in the way he dominated the number 2 and 3 players throughout the season with many wins and only 1 loss. But then again, how was Borg doing against Connors in 1978-1980 period? |
Commentators probably have it in their job description to talk up and sell whatever's going on - phrases like "best ever", "great match" etc are used very liberally.
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Here's the top 10 winning percentage. Highest Season Winning Percentage 1. John McEnroe (1984) .965 82–3 2. Jimmy Connors (1974) .959 93–4 3. Roger Federer (2005) .953 81–4 4. Roger Federer (2006) .948 92–5 5. Björn Borg (1979) .933 84–6 6. Ivan Lendl (1986) .925 74–6 7. Roger Federer (2004) .925 74–6 8. Ivan Lendl (1985) .923 84–7 9. Ivan Lendl (1982) .922 106–9 10. Björn Borg (1980) .921 70–6 = Novak Djokovic (2011) 0.921 70-6 |
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It's not about winning % or # of matches won. Those are good indicators of consistency, not brilliance. It's about titles won, big ones. It's about winning 2 slams + 3 masters on hard court (including the double IW/Miami) AND winning the slam on grass AND winning 2 masters on clay. It's about making only finals except for 1 semi between AO and USO. That's what it's about and that's why Djoko's stretch was particularly remarkable. Of course other players have had remarkable stretches for other reasons but Djoko's is definitely up there. |
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I just wonder when people look at his 2011 and reflect on that it was the 5th best in consecutive matches and the 10th best percentage.....well, perhaps it shouldn't be talked about as the best. |
Top 10 greatest seasons
1. Rod Laver, 1969 ("Grand Slam" - all 4 majors, Win-Loss 103-16 record) 2. Roger Federer, 2006 (3 Grand Slam titles, 92-5 record) 3. Novak Djokovic, 2011 (3 Grand Slams titles, 70-6 record) 4. John McEnroe, 1984 (2 Grand Slams titles, 82-3 record) 5. Jimmy Connors, 1974 (3 Grand Slam titles, 93-4 record) 6. Roger Federer, 2007 (3 Grand Slam titles) 7. Rafael Nadal, 2010 (3 Grand Slam titles) 8. Mats Wilander, 1988 (3 Grand Slam titles) 9. John McEnroe, 1981 (2 Grand Slam titles, Davis Cup) 10. Bjorn Borg, 1979 (2 Grand Slam titles, 84-6 record) http://timelesstennis.blogspot.com/2...s-seasons.html |
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But then again, how was Borg doing against Connors in 1978-1980 period?[/quote]
Borg's record versus Connors: 73-76: 1-6 77-78: 4-2 79-81: 10-0, including 6-0 in 1979 and 2-0 in each of the following years Here's his record versus McEnroe: 1978: 0-1 1979: 4-2 1980: 3-1 1981: 0-3 In 1979-80, Borg went 15-3 versus the two of them, very little, if any, on clay. |
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Also, Roger's 2006 was definitely not > Novak's 2011. Novak won titles on EVERY surface and did so by beating Rafa and Fed consistently. These 2 players had won 16 and 10 majors at the time. It should be Laver at #1 with his GRAND slam (don't get why everyone calls each slam a grand slam it's just wrong) then Novak at #2 and Nadal at #3 and Fed's 2006 at #4. If Fed had won a clay Masters in 2006 then he'd be at #2 but he repeatedly lost to Nadal on clay, whereas Novak was able to beat Rafa and take 2 of the clay masters. And ranking Fed's 2007 above Nadal's 2010 makes whoever put this list together lose all credibility because he's clearly a *******. |
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LOL. It is the second best season of all time after Laver's 1969. |
Borg Djokovic
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Nadal winning % was below 90 while Fed, Mac, Nole, Connors are above 90%. Nadal also failed to win the 5th most important title(WTF), which you conveniently ignore Fed won both in 2006 and 2007. Yes, Nadal won 3 slams on 3 different surfaces, but never made all four slam finals(Fed did in 2006). |
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Winning 5 masters in one year was mighty impressive. Several have done 3 slams in one year, but no ones ever done that.
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Nobody has won 3 majors in a row on 3 different surfaces. Federer didn't get a single clay title in 2006 and his mickey mouse wins in basel, doha, tokyo and halle count for nothing in the grand scheme of things. I ignore that Nadal only won clay masters in 2010 because he won MAJORS on HC and grass, so that's more important. Fed not only didn't win masters on clay he didn't win a major on clay either. |
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