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southend 03-16-2013 12:22 PM

Unusual string pattern: skip alternate crosses
 
Saw this recently from a search for legal string patterns. I may give it a try, but anyone have thoughts on this?
Excerpt:
Court of Appeals: String Theory
THURSDAY, AUGUST 30, 2012
A customer has asked that when I string his racquet I skip every other cross string. This will create wider gaps than between the mains. Is this legal?óJerry G. Ashland, KY: Perfectly. Appendix II of the ITF Rules of Tennis states that the "stringing pattern must be generally uniform and, in particular, not less dense in the center than in any other area." What you are describing would appear to create a "generally uniform" pattern. Be sure to give him a discount for the string you save.

kingcheetah 03-16-2013 12:29 PM

Seems legal... interesting idea. USTA would know for sure... they'd probably like that question if they haven't seen it already.

ishiun 03-18-2013 01:33 PM

how would that affect playabillity though

ishiun 03-18-2013 01:34 PM

besides the spin theory from wilson

fortun8son 03-18-2013 02:00 PM

In an even number cross racquet, would you leave out the top or the bottom? :)

diredesire 03-18-2013 02:17 PM

Yep, it's legal. I knew an old guy that played 4.5+ doubles with a POG SOS (super OS) with a string pattern similar to this @~30 lbs. He actually had a ball go through the string bed on a particularly well struck ball...

@LAL: good question... I'd err towards towards removing the bottom... I strike the ball closer to that area less.

scotus 03-18-2013 04:47 PM

I have actually tried this when Wilson Steam S first came out and everyone was talking about it.

I turned a 16X20 string pattern into 16X10. The result was highly unimpressive. Control wasn't there, and spin was far worse than 16X20.

Perhaps the tension on the crosses needed to be upped significantly.

corners 03-18-2013 05:12 PM

Several regular posters here have tried this over the past two years. It's perfectly legal.

But as Scotus alluded to above, if you don't up the tension hugely you will get an uncontrollable stringbed. First of all, in order to avoid frame distortion you must almost double the tension of the crosses as compared to the mains, as there are now half as many crosses as the frame was designed for. Wilson re-engineered their Spin Effect racquets so that you don't have to do that.

So then, let's say you're using a stiffer copoly string and you're now at 40# on the mains and 70# on the crosses. Unfortunately, that's no good because the low tension mains will slide way too far sideways and not be able to snap back in time to produce the extra spin you'd be looking for with a pattern like this. When the main strings slide but fail to snap back into line quick enough, you get a very high rebound angle but terrible spin. So your ball will fly high over the net and deep, but it won't have that extra spin that would make it dive back down in front of the baseline. In addition, the rebound angle will vary greatly from shot to shot, making it very difficult to control.

The remedy some of us have used is kevlar mains. Kevlar strings are more than twice as stiff as copoly, so even tensioned at 40# they will be stiffer than the copoly crosses tensioned at 70#. Now, the stiff kevlar mains will slide less and snap back with more energy, producing the spin you're after. But even still, you might find this setup lacking in control, so then you'd want to up the tensions further, and at that point you'd be looking for a very thick poly that can handle 80+ pounds of tension. At that point, you might wonder why you didn't just pick up a Steam. But I encourage you to try it out if you've got some kevlar and thick poly strings laying around.

If you want to read about others' experiments with these patterns, just do a search for "16x10" or "18x11"

unorthodox stringing 03-18-2013 11:21 PM

I came across the 16x10 experiment by "travlerajm" and then tried some different combinations of skipped crosses myself.

This is travlerajm's experiment on Full Kevlar 16x10:
http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?t=378484


Below were some of my experiments

Kevlar/Poly 14x10
http://unorthodoxstringing.blogspot....evlarpoly.html

Full Poly (16x12)
http://unorthodoxstringing.blogspot....-5055-lbs.html

Poly/Syn Gut (16x9)
http://unorthodoxstringing.blogspot....6by9-4865.html

Poly/Syn Gut (16x14)
http://unorthodoxstringing.blogspot....-65-16x14.html

Poly/Syn Gut (Varied tension for cross strings)
http://unorthodoxstringing.blogspot....-40-43-40.html

Full Poly (varied tension for cross strings)
http://unorthodoxstringing.blogspot....52-56-lbs.html

Poly/Multi (varied tension for cross strings)
http://unorthodoxstringing.blogspot....-56-52-48.html

Happy reading! :)

ishiun 03-19-2013 02:29 AM

great links very interesting

corners 03-19-2013 05:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by unorthodox stringing (Post 7287698)
I came across the 16x10 experiment by "travlerajm" and then tried some different combinations of skipped crosses myself.

This is travlerajm's experiment on Full Kevlar 16x10:
http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?t=378484


Below were some of my experiments

Kevlar/Poly 14x10
http://unorthodoxstringing.blogspot....evlarpoly.html

Full Poly (16x12)
http://unorthodoxstringing.blogspot....-5055-lbs.html

Poly/Syn Gut (16x9)
http://unorthodoxstringing.blogspot....6by9-4865.html

Poly/Syn Gut (16x14)
http://unorthodoxstringing.blogspot....-65-16x14.html

Poly/Syn Gut (Varied tension for cross strings)
http://unorthodoxstringing.blogspot....-40-43-40.html

Full Poly (varied tension for cross strings)
http://unorthodoxstringing.blogspot....52-56-lbs.html

Poly/Multi (varied tension for cross strings)
http://unorthodoxstringing.blogspot....-56-52-48.html

Happy reading! :)

Nice, thanks for sharing your experiments!


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