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MonkeyBoy 03-16-2013 06:48 PM

Which of these is the greatest accomplishment
 
Which of these is the greatest open era accomplishment?

FedererDropShot 03-16-2013 09:26 PM

Borg or Federer.

adil1972 03-16-2013 11:59 PM

laver 10 char

PureTennis 03-17-2013 12:20 AM

Federer's records. Nice attempt though.

Agassifan 03-17-2013 12:23 AM

1. Laver
2. Federer
3. Federer
4. Federer
5. Federer

Phoenix1983 03-17-2013 05:21 AM

Laver's Open Era slam.

So many greats have come and gone since, and yet, 44 years on, it remains unmatched.

He will probably go to his grave as the last man to accomplish the feat.

forzamilan90 03-17-2013 05:29 AM

5 straight W and 5 straight USO gets my nod, not on the poll...Atlantic slams yo.

tennisaddict 03-17-2013 07:32 AM

237 weeks without a doubt . And 5 plus major finals in all majors, puts all questions to rest.

90's Clay 03-17-2013 08:01 AM

Laver's 2 calendar slams. To sustain a high level of play long enough an entire year to win all 4 slams.. And to do it TWICE? Amazing


We have had some dominant players come along after Laver and still no one could manage

jrs 03-17-2013 08:07 AM

What is the pre-homgenised channel slams?

egn 03-17-2013 08:15 AM

grand slam.

forzamilan90 03-17-2013 08:49 AM

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Originally Posted by jrs (Post 7282534)
What is the pre-homgenised channel slams?

FO and W back to back back in ancient times

Mustard 03-17-2013 09:10 AM

Here is Laver's run to the 1969 Grand Slam:

1969 Australian Open (Brisbane, Grass)
R64: BYE
R32: Rod Laver def. Massimo Di Domenico (6-2, 6-3, 6-3)
R16: Rod Laver def. Roy Emerson (6-2, 6-4, 3-6, 9-7)
QF: Rod Laver def. Fred Stolle (6-4, 18-16, 6-4)
SF: Rod Laver def. Tony Roche (7-5, 22-20, 9-11, 1-6, 6-3)
FR: Rod Laver def. Andres Gimeno (6-3, 6-4, 7-5)

1969 French Open (Roland Garros, Clay)
R128: Rod Laver def. Koji Watanabe (6-1, 6-1, 6-1)
R64: Rod Laver def. Dick Crealy (3-6, 7-9, 6-2, 6-2, 6-4)
R32: Rod Laver def. Pietro Marzano (6-1, 6-0, 8-6)
R16: Rod Laver def. Stan Smith (6-4, 6-2, 6-4)
QF: Rod Laver def. Andres Gimeno (3-6, 6-3, 6-4, 6-3)
SF: Rod Laver def. Tom Okker (4-6, 6-0, 6-2, 6-4)
FR: Rod Laver def. Ken Rosewall (6-4, 6-3, 6-4)

1969 Wimbledon (Wimbledon, Grass)
R128: Rod Laver def. Nicola Pietrangeli (6-1, 6-2, 6-2)
R64: Rod Laver def. Premjit Lall (3-6, 4-6, 6-3, 6-0, 6-0)
R32: Rod Laver def. Jan Leschly (6-3, 6-3, 6-3)
R16: Rod Laver def. Stan Smith (6-4, 6-2, 7-9, 3-6, 6-3)
QF: Rod Laver def. Cliff Drysdale (6-4, 6-2, 6-3)
SF: Rod Laver def. Arthur Ashe (2-6, 6-2, 9-7, 6-0)
FR: Rod Laver def. John Newcombe (6-4, 5-7, 6-4, 6-4)

1969 US Open (Forest Hills, Grass)
R128: Rod Laver def. Luis-Augusto Garcia (6-2, 6-4, 6-2)
R64: Rod Laver def. Jaime Pinto-Bravo (6-4, 7-5, 6-2)
R32: Rod Laver def. Jaime Fillol Sr. (8-6, 6-1, 6-2)
R16: Rod Laver def. Dennis Ralston (6-4, 4-6, 4-6, 6-2, 6-3)
QF: Rod Laver def. Roy Emerson (4-6, 8-6, 13-11, 6-4)
SF: Rod Laver def. Arthur Ashe (8-6, 6-3, 14-12)
FR: Rod Laver def. Tony Roche (7-9, 6-1, 6-2, 6-2)

90's Clay 03-17-2013 09:23 AM

Took out Rosewall on clay too. What a year.

tennisaddict 03-17-2013 09:43 AM

Laver or Borg did not win on hard court, So it pales in comparison to what Fed and for that matter, Sampras achieved.

Being 237 weeks at No.1 and being YE No 1 for 6 years, shows you have been at the top for most part of a decade and there is no one comparable to you.

So out of the achievements listed above, Fed and Sampras's are better.

Laver winning the grand slam is now equivalent to Nadal sweeping all clay court tournaments. The difference is Laver did it for just 2 years, Nadal's is like 8 and counting..

All these pre-open era folks need to take a pill and chill.

TMF 03-17-2013 09:43 AM

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Originally Posted by forzamilan90 (Post 7282299)
5 straight W and 5 straight USO gets my nod, not on the poll...Atlantic slams yo.

True, Fed has many mind boggling streak but it wouldn't look right to have many options for him in the poll. 237 straight weeks is a good option, same with the 5/5 as you've mentioned. I personally think the 23 straight semifinal is the best option for the poll.

Mustard 03-17-2013 09:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tennisaddict (Post 7282728)
Laver or Borg did not win on hard court, So it pales in comparison to what Fed and for that matter, Sampras achieved.

The first hardcourt open era major was in 1978, and Borg reached the final of the US Open 3 times out of 4 when he played it on hardcourt. Laver won the biggest tournaments in 1969 on all surfaces, including hardcourt (which was FAR less prevalent on tour back then).

TMF 03-17-2013 09:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 90's Clay (Post 7282518)
Laver's 2 calendar slams. To sustain a high level of play long enough an entire year to win all 4 slams.. And to do it TWICE? Amazing


We have had some dominant players come along after Laver and still no one could manage

The OP is referring to the "true" GS in 1969, not 1962 since it was a weak amateur field. 1962 doesn't deserve to be included in the poll since many streaks/records are more impressive.

TMF 03-17-2013 09:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Mustard (Post 7282741)
The first hardcourt open era major was in 1978, and Borg reached the final of the US Open 3 times out of 4 when he played it on hardcourt. Laver won the biggest tournaments in 1969 on all surfaces, including hardcourt (which was FAR less prevalent on tour back then).

Ok, but still it was outside of the slam. Who knows if he could have won had the USO or AO was played on hc. Rosewall was winning on grass events and at the same period while failed to win Wimbledon. Each tournament is not the same despite it's the same surface.

borg number one 03-17-2013 09:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mustard (Post 7282741)
The first hardcourt open era major was in 1978, and Borg reached the final of the US Open 3 times out of 4 when he played it on hardcourt. Laver won the biggest tournaments in 1969 on all surfaces, including hardcourt (which was FAR less prevalent on tour back then).

Exactly Mustard. Laver did win quite a bit on hard courts, though the US Open and the AO were not played on hard courts in his era. Borg won 6 hardcourt titles at a time, when indoor tournaments were numerous, while there were fewer hard court tournaments, relative today. Also, no slow hard courts back then and you didn't have two chances a year to win a hard court major. The options here are very good. I'd say the top 3 accomplishments are from Laver, Borg, and Sampras, in no particular order for me.


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