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IgnatusP 03-26-2013 04:13 PM

If Nadal wins RG and Wimbledon, is Fed record threatened?
 
Simple question. If Nadal accomplishes this feat (which won't be easy) he will be only 4 slams away from Fed's 17, and he will have just become 27 years old.

The big unknowns are his health (whether the period he took off really helped heal his knees) and external threats (the main one in my view being Djokovic).

The question doesn't have to do with how likely Nadal is to achieve these goals, but, assuming he does it, what would things look like then.

Fyrepower 03-26-2013 04:18 PM

I believe that Rafa has the ability to beat Fed's record, but only with a monumental amount of work and if his knee stays healthy.

ark_28 03-26-2013 04:19 PM

It won't be easy but if he wins the French and Wimby combo then I would back him to at last equal Roger I see him winning 2/3 more French Opens after this year and 1/2 more Wimbledons! US Open and AO will be tough but it's not impossible he sneaks one more hard court slam

beast of mallorca 03-26-2013 04:20 PM

As long as Nadal is healthy, Fed's record will always be up for the taking. I'm sure deep down, Nadal has his eyes on that record. At least his fans are........:):twisted:

FedExpress17 03-26-2013 04:21 PM

Depends... Fed could still win the following USO (possible) or AO (highly unlikely) and reset the differential to 5 or 6 slams..... A 4 slam difference is still tough to make up, but obviously doable for a player of Nadal's calibre

Semi-Pro 03-26-2013 04:23 PM

I don't really see the Nadal winning any hard court slams in the near future therefore it'll be incredibly difficult for him to threaten Feds record

Cuqui 03-26-2013 04:28 PM

If my grandmother had wheels would she be a Ferrari?

ark_28 03-26-2013 04:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Cuqui (Post 7305386)
If my grandmother had wheels would she be a Ferrari?

Problem with that analogy is it only goes with things that can't happen not things that may happen 8)

beast of mallorca 03-26-2013 04:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Semi-Pro (Post 7305375)
I don't really see the Nadal winning any hard court slams in the near future therefore it'll be incredibly difficult for him to threaten Feds record

Well, he just won IW which is a HC. Tho' the courts are different, that "incredibly difficult" feat are still attainable.Obviously the top 3 and the rest will have a say on that, but it still is possible

IgnatusP 03-26-2013 04:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Cuqui (Post 7305386)
If my grandmother had wheels would she be a Ferrari?

If she could VROOOOM and you nailed the stallion logo on her forehead, it would probably be close enough. I'm not condoning such activities, though. It might get you in trouble with Adult Protective Services.

Mike Sams 03-26-2013 04:32 PM

It's not just Nadal's knees that must stay healthy. His body, his focus, his mind and his determination must be absolutely spot on for the next 4-5 years.
He must be able to play at his prime level past his 30s which historically has never been done in the history of this sport.
The question is, how many years does he have where his body can still handle the ferocious grinding 4-5 hour battles against younger players?
Every year, things get tougher and tougher both physically and mentally for players who get up in age.
Just about everything must go right for Nadal for many more years in order for him to threaten such a record.

DropShotArtist 03-26-2013 04:33 PM

Nadal might win FO this year if he is lucky.

Mike Sams 03-26-2013 04:34 PM

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Originally Posted by beast of mallorca (Post 7305370)
As long as Nadal is healthy, Fed's record will always be up for the taking. I'm sure deep down, Nadal has his eyes on that record. At least his fans are........:):twisted:

Nadal had his eyes on that record after 2010 after winning the USO. Then came the rise of Djokovic! :shock:
Who knows who may rise next and make things that much more difficult for Fedal.

IgnatusP 03-26-2013 04:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Mike Sams (Post 7305399)
It's not just Nadal's knees that must stay healthy. His body, his focus, his mind and his determination must be absolutely spot on for the next 4-5 years.
He must be able to play at his prime level past his 30s which historically has never been done in the history of this sport.
The question is, how many years does he have where his body can still handle the ferocious grinding 4-5 hour battles against younger players?
Every year, things get tougher and tougher both physically and mentally for players who get up in age.
Just about everything must go right for Nadal for many more years in order for him to threaten such a record.

Yes, it would be difficult. But imagine it's August and Nadal has just won 2 slams convincingly. Wouldn't you start wondering if he could actually run the course? I imagine Federer would start feeling uncomfortable if that were to happen.

FedExpress17 03-26-2013 04:38 PM

Well the earliest opportunity Nadal would have to equalize would be at wimbledon 2014 if he won all slams between now and then. He would probably be incapable of winning any more after 2017 and has stated anyway that Rio 2016 may be his last Olympics and thus by extension within a few years of the end of his career.... The question is is it possible for him to win 6 slams at least between now and 2017

rafazx10 03-26-2013 04:38 PM

As of now he is 6 slams away.
6 slams? That is just a year and a half right?

Thing is 6 slams is more than half what he has right now.

And IMO he is done with more than 2/3 of his career, specially because of the type of game he plays.

It is technically possible, but if i had to bet i would say it wont happen.

IgnatusP 03-26-2013 04:42 PM

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Originally Posted by rafazx10 (Post 7305420)
As of now he is 6 slams away.
6 slams? That is just a year and a half right?

Thing is 6 slams is more than half what he has right now.

And IMO he is done with more than 2/3 of his career, specially because of the type of game he plays.

It is technically possible, but if i had to bet i would say it wont happen.

This is a reasonable opinion. I can't say I would personally bet against him at this point though. He's way too dangerous and focused if he remains healthy. When he sees the goal drawing closer he won't stop.

Mike Sams 03-26-2013 04:42 PM

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Originally Posted by IgnatusP (Post 7305416)
Yes, it would be difficult. But imagine it's August and Nadal has just won 2 slams convincingly. Wouldn't you start wondering if he could actually run the course? I imagine Federer would start feeling uncomfortable if that were to happen.

We all wondered if Federer could win 25 Slams before Nadal figured out grass and hards. We all wondered if Nadal was going to clean house again after his monumental 2010 and then Djokovic 2.0 came out of nowhere!
There's so much tennis to be played, it's not even worth discussing.
And who is to say that Nadal's own Slam record is safe? Djokovic is racking them up lately and he's not even close to stopping by the looks of it. PLUS he's younger than Nadal and far less injury prone.

ultradr 03-26-2013 04:43 PM

Of course yes.

But it doesn't matter whether it will be Nadal or not.
Under the current homogeneous tour surface conditions(post 2003),
next great player will reach 20+ slams, IMHO.
I would say within a decade or two maybe?

Then whole new discussions will arise on who the real open era GOAT is.

I think Federer knows this and he will try his best add more slams.

IgnatusP 03-26-2013 04:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Mike Sams (Post 7305428)
We all wondered if Federer could win 25 Slams before Nadal figured out grass and hards. We all wondered if Nadal was going to clean house again after his monumental 2010 and then Djokovic 2.0 came out of nowhere!
There's so much tennis to be played, it's not even worth discussing.
And who is to say that Nadal's own Slam record is safe? Djokovic is racking them up lately and he's not even close to stopping by the looks of it. PLUS he's younger than Nadal and far less injury prone.

Yes, I actually agree with you. I wasn't asking if it's certain Nadal would surpass the record, or even if it is likely. I was just asking whether, if he wins the next 2, he will be a danger to Fed's record in the sense that Fed might lose sleep at night.

Nadal's record is not safe either, I agree with that. But if Nadal takes the next 2, then he would be 7 away from Djokovic, and Djokovic's chances would have become much slimmer.


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