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Amelie Mauresmo 03-31-2013 11:08 AM

David Ferrer is NOT mentally tough as people think he is.
 
Serena Williams coach Patrick mouratoglou is correct about David Ferrer his problem when he loses to the top 4 is mentality. People go on and on about David Ferrer's size yes he's a small guy compared to those giants in the top 4. But Ferrer has also shown despite being five foot nine he has gotten VERY CLOSE to knocking off the top 4 in ATP Finals. However, it is shocking that Ferrer doesn't believe in his abilities despite being number five in the world.

I've never seen a top five player so mentally fragile like David Ferrer. It is all between the ears for Ferrer I believe Mouratoglou is right he psyches himself out which is such a shame.

Ferrer doesn't BELIEVE in himself he's too modest especially when he faces Nadal. In the Barcelona final last year Ferrer had so many chances to beat Nadal but he just chokes. At the Italian Open semifinals last year Ferrer had a chance to win the match again he finds a way to lose.

It is like Ferrer confidence is so low against the top 4 it is a self fulfilling prophecy he already LOST the match prior to going on the court.

Yes, I know Ferrer is only five foot nine and he lacks the power of the top 4 but he's played some tight matches against them and he usually loses.

I think the issue with Ferrer is he gets tight and he chokes when it matters the most. Today, Ferrer had a huge opportunity which I think for him could have been a psychological breakthrough but once again he finds a way to lose.



Honestly, I thought today Ferrer would have his breakthrough up a set serving to go 5-4 in the second set he capitulates gets tight and ultimately loses a tight match. Ferrer is not as mentally tough as people make him seem to be.

Obviously Ferrer is a very strong player and very consistent but he is not mentally strong. Andy Murray did not play great today but he did not need to because Ferrer doesn't have that killer instinct he didn't go for the kill
today.

Since Ferrer is over 30 and he's turning 31 next week I doubt he's ever going to win a grand slam which is such a shame.

President 03-31-2013 11:13 AM

He has an inferiority complex against the top 4, that's for sure. Against everyone else he is mentally rock solid because he feels on even ground with them.

VAMOSDNA 03-31-2013 11:13 AM

Ferrer is 0-13 in Finals vs Top 5 players. That says it all.

mattennis 03-31-2013 11:16 AM

Ferrer is very strong (mentally also) against player outside the top-4.

Against the top-4 players, he almost always finds a way to lose, even in matches where he is ahead and playing well.

He has said more than once that he thinks he doesn't belong there ( in the top-5 ), he seems to think he is not a great tennis player, but a great worker, and I think it really hampers his chances against the top-4.

Sometimes you need to think you belong there, that "you are great" (even if it sounds a bit d-bag), because it can help you against the very top-players.

marc45 03-31-2013 11:17 AM

he panicked a bit on match point...should have just played the ball and see if murray botched it

Amelie Mauresmo 03-31-2013 11:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by VAMOSDNA (Post 7316885)
Ferrer is 0-13 in Finals vs Top 5 players. That says it all.

But today was his huge opportunity, he was beating Murray and it seems to me reality set in serving up a set and 4 all in the second and he lost the match after choking to lose serve. If Ferrer had gotten to 5-4 in the second it would have put tremendous pressure on Murray to serve to stay in the event. But no, Ferrer CHOKES like he usually does. It isn't about Ferrer's size it is about his MIND. Ferrer just doesn't believe in himself and he might need help because his time on tour is limited he's 31 next week. If Ferrer wants to win a slam he has got to calm his nerves when he has chances to beat the top 4.

mattennis 03-31-2013 11:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Amelie Mauresmo (Post 7316915)
But today was his huge opportunity, he was beating Murray and it seems to me reality set in serving up a set and 4 all in the second and he lost the match after choking to lose serve. If Ferrer had gotten to 5-4 in the second it would have put tremendous pressure on Murray to serve to stay in the event. But no, Ferrer CHOKES like he usually does. It isn't about Ferrer's size it is about his MIND. Ferrer just doesn't believe in himself and he might need help because his time on tour is limited he's 31 next week. If Ferrer wants to win a slam he has got to calm his nerves when he has chances to beat the top 4.

He is not going to win a GS. He sees Federer as a tennis god and himself as a tennis worker. Deep inside his mind he IS NOT allowed to defeat Federer.

Something similar (but to a way lesser degree) thinks about Nadal and Djokovic (and even Murray).

It is the opposite of what Djokovic showed back in 2007 (he was SO SURE of himself as the next n1 player in the world).

Relinquis 03-31-2013 11:55 AM

we shouldn't be lumping murray in with the other three.

it's not the same thing.

Amelie Mauresmo 03-31-2013 11:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mattennis (Post 7316976)
He is not going to win a GS. He sees Federer as a tennis god and himself as a tennis worker. Deep inside his mind he IS NOT allowed to defeat Federer.

Something similar (but to a way lesser degree) thinks about Nadal and Djokovic (and even Murray).

It is the opposite of what Djokovic showed back in 2007 (he was SO SURE of himself as the next n1 player in the world).

Well that's a shame because an attitude adjustment is what Ferrer needs. What is the point playing tennis by not BELIEVING you can win when you step on the court? Ferrer's mentality is what has cost him a lot of matches against the top 4. Serena's coach is correct Ferrer has GOT THE GAME to do better but his mind is so weak. I know people attack Bernard Tomic for being a brat BUT if that kid gets the work ethic of Ferrer and have his cocky attitude the top 4 better watch out. Ferrer already is a hard worker but the poor guy psyches himself out.

The sad thing about Ferrer is it isn't like he's losing all the matches against the top 4 by blow outs. Ferrer has had his chances but he CHOKES mentally like he did again today. Very sad indeed.

フェデラー 03-31-2013 12:02 PM

His bigger limitation is that he has no serve.

jrs 03-31-2013 12:48 PM

Yeah, agree there is a mental block for Ferrer. Murray also seem to have mental issues!

NadalAgassi 03-31-2013 12:50 PM

I actually agree. He is mentally quite weak in addition to having no more than a generic solid and good game. This match was a bigger extreme of the 2011 Australian Open semis where Murray was also way below par and Ferrer missed set points to go up 2 sets to 0 and fell easily after that. His absolute pathetic efforts against Federer on any surface and against Nadal on clay also speak to this. His mental game is WAY overrated, it is overrated mostly since people think he has to have something as even his tennis game isnt all that great. What he mostly has is consistency, willingness to try in every match against someone not ranked in the top 5 only, and fitness, not much else. This makes the always braindead TMFs claims that Ferrer is a better player than the Michael Chang and Lleyton Hewitt all the more embarassing.

Elite 03-31-2013 02:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by President (Post 7316881)
He has an inferiority complex against the top 4, that's for sure. Against everyone else he is mentally rock solid because he feels on even ground with them.

This.

He always openly admits he doesn't deserve to be ranked alongside the top 4, and this sort of attitude is precisely why he has a ghastly record against them. He just knows he can't beat them.

kiki 03-31-2013 02:38 PM

Hes a modern Harold Solomon with a bit more of power.

RoddickistheMan 03-31-2013 02:39 PM

PEDS can only get you so far.

TheF1Bob 03-31-2013 02:44 PM

Here's the thing. If Murray actually turned up and played well, we wouldn't be having this conversation.

Ferrer played his normal boring game while Murray was self destructing 9/10 times.

His loss today wasn't his fault. Murray put him in that winning position.

sureshs 03-31-2013 02:59 PM

Dudes he was cramping in the tie break.

tennisaddict 03-31-2013 03:13 PM

Stop comparing Ferrer with the top 4.

Murray is closer to Ferrer and Del Potro than with Fed, Rafa and Novak.

Ferrer also has a pretty decent record with Murray.

West Coast Ace 03-31-2013 03:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mattennis (Post 7316976)
He is not going to win a GS. He sees Federer as a tennis god and himself as a tennis worker. Deep inside his mind he IS NOT allowed to defeat Federer.

Something similar (but to a way lesser degree) thinks about Nadal and Djokovic (and even Murray).

It is the opposite of what Djokovic showed back in 2007 (he was SO SURE of himself as the next n1 player in the world).

Great post. Hard to believe he'd have a better chance than today.

NadalAgassi 03-31-2013 03:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tennisaddict (Post 7317362)
Stop comparing Ferrer with the top 4.

Murray is closer to Ferrer and Del Potro than with Fed, Rafa and Novak.

Ferrer also has a pretty decent record with Murray.

Murray is currently ranked #2 in the World. Of course he is part of the top 4, and not inferior to the rest other than possibly Djokovic. Anyone is not part of the top 4 based on current ability it is Federer. Nadal may be ranked behind, but it is already clear he is Djokovics biggest rival at the top of the game still, while Murray is up there too. Federer is something like 9th in the race points for the year and has already gone from #1 to #3 in the last 4 months. The bookies have him as only 4th favorite for the upcoming slams.


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