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SassyRamirez 03-31-2013 11:15 AM

Does Murray-Ferrer prove courts need to be sped up and the tour needs more variety
 
What do you guys think? It was often cited that the 90's Wimbledon matches between Ivanisevic and Sampras, particularly the 94 Final, is what jumpstarted this whole process of slowing down every surface and surface homogenization.

Do absolute ugly, disgusting, low quality, grind-fest matches like Murray-Ferrer (and even Djokovic-Murray) prove that the ITF/ATP/WTA need to seriously consider speeding up some of the ridiculously slow surfaces on tour such as AO, IW, Miami, etc? To bring back surface variety?

If not we'll probably get boring counterpunching ping-pong grind-fest finals on slow-as-molasses courts for eternity.




mattennis 03-31-2013 11:18 AM

I don't mind AO, IW and Miami being this slow IF they change back Wimbledon, US OPEN and most indoor tournaments to really fast conditions (and leave clay alone, not trying to make it faster).

SassyRamirez 03-31-2013 11:20 AM

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Originally Posted by mattennis (Post 7316903)
I don't mind AO, IW and Miami being this slow IF they change back Wimbledon, US OPEN and most indoor tournaments to really fast conditions (and leave clay alone, not trying to make it faster).

I still think this slow is too much: AO, IW, and Miami can still be considered slow whilst being much faster than they are now. See Rebound Ace.

I agree generally though, I don't care about their being slow events on tour if they speed back up the ones that are supposed to be fast.

marc45 03-31-2013 11:20 AM

ben rothenberg the tennis writer from the new york times just tweeted that the quicker fix is simply to play with the lighter balls the wta uses

West Coast Ace 03-31-2013 11:28 AM

It will take some big men to put aside their egos and admit they swung the pendulum too far and bring it back. And that probably won't happen until they see a sustained period of declining revenues which are directly attributed to the play and not the absence of Fed and Nadal.

West Coast Ace 03-31-2013 11:30 AM

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Originally Posted by marc45 (Post 7316913)
ben rothenberg the tennis writer from the new york times just tweeted that the quicker fix is simply to play with the lighter balls the wta uses

Yes. Ball has more affect than the court.

stringertom 03-31-2013 11:40 AM

It's not the court speed that matters...Haas' run proves you can succeed with an aggressive game plan.

The problem "court" is the small one between the ears of these two players. I cannot believe how flat Murray came out today, especially with the #2 ranking in the balance. As much progress as Lendl has made with him, he is nowhere close to conquering his mental demons. Today was a prime example. As for Ferrer, he's never going to turn the corner vs any of the top 4. If he can't beat a very subpar Murray today, he may as well pack it up and return to his 250/500 parade, cash his checks and plan his retirement days without a major trophy on the mantle.

marc45 03-31-2013 11:44 AM

btw, murray said yesterday that slow courts aid longevity..serve and volleying is hard, those guys ended up having a lot of injuries he said...also said training is so great now

Relinquis 03-31-2013 11:47 AM

whats needed is variety... i don't mind miami being slow hardcourt, or even clay. just make a few fast hardcourt tournaments later in the year and turn a few slow US hardcourts into grass.

also, the endorsement of ivo karlovic isn't exactly much support of the speeding up argument. the guy is just a servebot*. if i wanted to see home runs i'd watch baseball...


* can't play real tennis.

ctoth666 03-31-2013 11:53 AM

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Originally Posted by West Coast Ace (Post 7316927)
It will take some big men to put aside their egos and admit they swung the pendulum too far and bring it back. And that probably won't happen until they see a sustained period of declining revenues which are directly attributed to the play and not the absence of Fed and Nadal.

This. Wealthy white men don't like to admit they're wrong about anything, even at the expense of the people who are affected by their decisions, because they love that cash flow. That basically sums up every problem in the world today.

Mustard 03-31-2013 12:00 PM

I keeping telling people that the string technology is the reason for the long rallies and the scarcity of "variety", due to the prevelance of heavy topspin. It makes it harder to hit outright winners.

SassyRamirez 03-31-2013 12:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Mustard (Post 7316999)
I keeping telling people that the string technology is the reason for the long rallies and the scarcity of "variety", due to the prevelance of heavy topspin. It makes it harder to hit outright winners.

No, it's the court and ball conditions.

Do you really think you know more than current and former pro players? Jesus christ.

I've personally played on the Miami courts and trust me, they are slow as hell and it is ridiculously hard to hit through them.

Mustard 03-31-2013 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by SassyRamirez (Post 7317003)
No, it's the court and ball conditions.

Do you really think you know more than current and former pro players? Jesus christ.

I've personally played on the Miami courts and trust me, they are slow as hell and it is ridiculously hard to hit through them.

Watch a 1990s match in somewhere like Miami. It's not as fast as you think.

SassyRamirez 03-31-2013 12:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Mustard (Post 7317006)
Watch a 1990s match in somewhere like Miami. It's not as fast as you think.

I watch matches from the 90s all the time. 90s Wimbledon, 90s French Open, 90s fast indoor HC, 90s slow HC., etc.

Trust me, court conditions are very slow and homogenized now. The likes of Federer, Murray, Tipsarevic, etc will attest to this.

Keep rambling on about topspin though.

Torres 03-31-2013 12:09 PM

Why is it sudddenly related to the court and balls?

Ferrer v Murray is always a bit of grindfest since they're both predominately grinders (particularly Ferrer) who favour playing percentages. In terms of entertainment value it was always going to be a poor match up in terms of styles.

Haas didn't seem to have any problems hitting winners or creating an exciting match against Dolgopolov:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sQE1DFYGICA

Mustard 03-31-2013 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by SassyRamirez (Post 7317013)
I watch matches from the 90s all the time. 90s Wimbledon, 90s French Open, 90s fast indoor HC, 90s slow HC., etc.

Trust me, court conditions are very slow and homogenized now. The likes of Federer, Murray, Tipsarevic, etc will attest to this.

Keep rambling on about topspin though.

I will, because it's the truth. People need to stop obsessing so much about the courts and start looking at the string technology also, if they insist on moaning all the time. In reality though, they are just the modern equivalent of the "power is killing tennis" brigade of the 1990s.

Hood_Man 03-31-2013 12:19 PM

Lighter balls would be nice.

Andres 03-31-2013 12:29 PM

Gasquet had no trouble hitting winners. Neither did Tsonga.
One shouldn't read too much into a Ferrer-Murray match.
They don't have enough firepower to hit through the other.

Relinquis 03-31-2013 12:44 PM

if they had given gulbis a wildcard you would ahve seen that it wasn't the courts or ball...

PhrygianDominant 03-31-2013 12:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Andres (Post 7317064)
Gasquet had no trouble hitting winners. Neither did Tsonga.

But against whom? Who made the final? the two best retrievers that's who.

One way or another, we can't have the combination of a slow court and poly strings. It makes winners too hard, points too long, and UEs too common. Bad for ratings, bad for players, bad for tennis.


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