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TW Staff 04-22-2013 03:17 PM

Ashaway MonoGut ZX Pro & ZX Playtest!
 
Attention Talk Tennis Members:

We are no longer taking requests for this playtest. The strings will ship by Monday or Tuesday of next week (April 29 or 30). We will send notifications when they ship.

*** Please do not post "Email Sent", as those posts will be deleted. Feel free to post questions or comments.

We have a limited quantity of strings to playtest. We select playtesters based on a number of factors.

This playtest is FREE of charge. The only thing that we require is that you post your findings in this thread by May 30 . If you do not post a review, or if your review is clearly lacking effort, you will be excluded from future playtests.

** No Hybrids **

Include the following in your review:

String, gauge, & color received
Tension used for playtest
Regular string set up
Racquet brand and model used for test
Power of test string
Feel
Spin
Comfort
Durability
Playability Duration (share thoughts on if/how the playability changed over time)
Control (predictable trajectory? performance on different strokes and swing speeds?)
Compare to the string you use most often
Tension recommendations (after hitting it, would you recommend a different tension? Why?)
List any final thoughts.

BE careful during installation. DO NOT pulls knots too tight as this string has a lower tensile strength than polyester.

Torres 04-22-2013 03:21 PM

I think you should make some suggestions regarding tension and stringing as its a very unique string, that's tension sensitive (don't go too low) and can break when tying knots if you're too brutal (don't use alot of force when tying off as you might with a poly).

TW Staff 04-22-2013 03:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Torres (Post 7362084)
I think you should make some suggestions regarding tension and stringing as its a very unique string, that's tension sensitive (don't go too low) and can break when tying knots if you're too brutal (don't use alot of force when tying off as you might with a poly).

Torres,

Good point. I want to invite people like yourself to share their tension strategies. I agree with your advice about not tensioning too low, along with not pulling knots too tight. Brittany - a big hitting poly player - found that 50 lbs was too powerful in her Yonex VCore 100S (strung on a lockout), while 61 lbs was a little to firm and underpowered. She liked 56 lbs, which is a few pounds below her preferred nylon reference tension.

The string packets are now shipping with the following instructions from Ashaway:

* Don't pull knots too tight

* Don't scrape or nick string. Be careful when using a starting clamp anywhere on the string.

* Allow time for string to elongate under tension. Count to ten (10).

* Use slower tensioning speed on electronic machines. Fifty % suggested.

* String with at least 10% less tension than nylon strings.

* Don't apply over 60 lbs tension.

* For poly players, use light pre-stretch for more muted response.

* Be careful with use of sharp tools.

* When using double action clamps, release the base first.

* Check racquet grommets for extensive wear.

Thanks,
Jon

darklore009 04-22-2013 03:48 PM

what gauge is the string is coming in?

TW Staff 04-22-2013 03:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by darklore009 (Post 7362140)
what gauge is the stringing is coming in?

The MonoGut ZX is 1.27mm and the Pro is 1.22mm

Thanks,
Jon

Torres 04-22-2013 04:34 PM

I've gone through about 10 sets of the 1.27mm and would make the following comments:

* It's a unique material unlike anything I've played with before. It's not poly or nylon or natural gut so put aside any preconceptions.

* It's a comfortable string even though it doesn't obviously seem soft out of the packet. The string will stretch more than poly or nylon when pulling tension during stringing.

* Be careful when tying off knots. The string can become brittle and prone to breakage in the area where its done 360 degree bends over the X,Y,Z axis ie a knot. Do not worry about over tightening the knot or really cinching it down into a tiny knot. Be careful not overpull the on the second loop when tying off. Do not be brutal when tying off a knot like you might with a poly.

* If you should break the string when tying off, its not the end of the world. I've never broken the string when tying off mains, but have on the crosses. If so, just lose the last cross and tie off on the next available hole. It still seems to play okay.

* Stringing at too low a tension can result in balls flying and the stringbed feeling like it doesn't have sufficient control. Optimum tension obviously requires some guesswork and trial and error, but personally, I would err against going too low. This string plays at it best when you get the tension exactly right for your racquet / playing style ie not too high, not too low.

* Ashway suggest a tension 10% lower than the equivalent nylon but I think that's slightly low. The optimum tension obviously requires a degree of trial and error based on the racquet and particular player, but I've found most success stringing the 1.27mm at the same sort of tensions as I would with a 17 gauge soft co-poly, or at a fractionally higher tension, even though its nowhere near as stiff as a soft co-poly. For comparison:

Genesis Black Magic 17 - 52-53lbs CP (full bed)
Tourna Big Hitter Blue Rough 16 - 53-54lbs CP (full bed)
Tourna Blue Hitter Blue Rough 17 - 54-55lbs CP (full bed)
Weiscannon Silverstring 1.20mm - 50-51lbs CP (full bed)
Ashaway Red Monogut ZX 1.27mm - 53-54lbs CP (full bed). (56lbs CP started feeling a bit low powered and slightly boardy)

All strung on the same electronic constant pull (CP) machine (Wilson Baiardo) in a Wilson BLX Juice Pro (96sq" / 16x20)

* Ashaway say that the red is slightly stiffer than the natural but I found this to be only marginal.

* The string seems to play better and settle down after an initial breaking in period comprising some ball hitting so allow for that if necessary.

* Would suggest a long playtest to get the best sense of what this string is about, maybe 7,8,9,10 hours plus. You can tell what a poly or nylon is like in the first hour. This string is a bit more unusual.

* Personally, I wasn't bothered by having the slowest pull setting when stringing. It seemed to take out some of the crispness though Ashaway say that slower pulls may result in improved stringbed consistency.

* The string works well as a full bed IF you get the tension right and string it consistently. It also seems to work exceptionally well as cross with poly mains if you're wanting a bit more power, comfort and feel from the stringbed (though note that this playtest is a fullbed ZX playtest).

* Tension maintenance is very good - better than poly, better than nylon - so allow for that.

* I haven't tried the 1.22mm so can only comment on the 1.27mm.

TW Staff 04-22-2013 07:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LanEvo (Post 7362490)
Can we request which one we want Reg. vs Pro? Or do we get it out of randomness?

Hi LanEvo,

We are not taking requests. This playtest is intended for players who don't mind playing with and evaluating either gauge.

Thanks,
Jon

LanEvo 04-22-2013 08:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TW Staff (Post 7362500)
Hi LanEvo,

We are not taking requests. This playtest is intended for players who don't mind playing with and evaluating either gauge.

Thanks,
Jon

Oh ok, I dont mind playing with either one, I just saw/see that there were two available kinds, usually it is just one, so I was just wondering if there was choice or not.

pvaudio 04-22-2013 09:15 PM

So what exactly is this material? Is it simply a proprietary monofilament developed by Zyex, much like if Dupont made a monofilament tennis string? It's very intriguing. :)

corners 04-22-2013 09:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pvaudio (Post 7362568)
So what exactly is this material? Is it simply a proprietary monofilament developed by Zyex, much like if Dupont made a monofilament tennis string? It's very intriguing. :)

It's a monofilament made entirely of Zyex.

There's a long thread on it. Pretty much all available information about the string is in there.

pvaudio 04-22-2013 09:22 PM

Oh, is it made out of PEEK? TW, could you explain to us / does Ashaway say how this makes for a great string material? I've heard of it being used for intensive moving applications like valves and gears where there's a lot of heat. Is it just its toughness that's of interest? Thanks!

pvaudio 04-22-2013 09:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by corners (Post 7362572)
It's a monofilament made entirely of Zyex.

There's a long thread on it. Pretty much all available information about the string is in there.

:oops: You'd think I'd know how to read by now, but no one's perfect. :D

corners 04-22-2013 09:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pvaudio (Post 7362574)
:oops: You'd think I'd know how to read by now, but no one's perfect. :D

LOL. Are you in on the play test? With your wide string experience your impressions would be very valuable.

scotus 04-22-2013 10:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pvaudio (Post 7362573)
Oh, is it made out of PEEK? TW, could you explain to us / does Ashaway say how this makes for a great string material? I've heard of it being used for intensive moving applications like valves and gears where there's a lot of heat. Is it just its toughness that's of interest? Thanks!

Like natural gut, zyex is used for musical instrument strings.

mikeler 04-23-2013 04:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by corners (Post 7362586)
LOL. Are you in on the play test? With your wide string experience your impressions would be very valuable.

PVAudio, you definitely need to try and get in on this one. Corners too. The Ashaway Dynamite 16 was a very unique string that played pretty well, so I'm hoping I'm not too late in the game to get in on this playtest. For any string junkie, Zyex is definitely a must try.

Doubles 04-23-2013 07:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mikeler (Post 7362858)
PVAudio, you definitely need to try and get in on this one. Corners too. The Ashaway Dynamite 16 was a very unique string that played pretty well, so I'm hoping I'm not too late in the game to get in on this playtest. For any string junkie, Zyex is definitely a must try.

I knew there was a good reason for me to sign up for this test. Something that sounds like it doesn't fall in any category of string I've tried so far definitely piques my interest.

djNEiGht 04-23-2013 10:32 AM

for the sake of asking, are the two strings offered in the play test similar in make but just in different gauge?

MonoGut ZX (1.27mm) and MonoGut ZX Pro (1.22mm)

TW Staff 04-23-2013 11:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by djNEiGht (Post 7363528)
for the sake of asking, are the two strings offered in the play test similar in make but just in different gauge?

MonoGut ZX (1.27mm) and MonoGut ZX Pro (1.22mm)

Yes. Same string different gauge.

db10s 04-23-2013 12:43 PM

Will a confirmation email be sent?

TimothyO 04-23-2013 01:03 PM

I've signed up for the playtest and should note that while I wouldn't string the frame personally my friend, Ed Matheson, would be doing the work.

Ed is known by a number of other TT members and is a USRSA MRT. He attends the annual GSS Racquet Stringers Symposium in Florida each year. Definitely a hardcore stringer and he's familiar with ZX having talked to folks about it at the most recent RSS. I'm certain that he would enjoy being part of the playtest! :)


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