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Avles 04-26-2013 06:23 AM

Forehands Gone Wild (video)
 
The other day I devoted an hour or so of ball machine time to getting a little more consistency on my forehand, which ranges from okay to disgraceful.

Videos from that session are below-- all criticism is welcome!

Front View: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=50J6gLfUVh4
Side View: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9u8Td2HXLVE
Back View: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vfYDbqABUg8

(For what it's worth my usual problems with the FH are hitting long and lack of directional control.)

millardus 04-26-2013 07:03 AM

Most obvious thing from first 30 secs, and it is an issue I have also, almost zero bend in the knees.

You react to lower balls by dropping your upper body more than your lower one ;-)

As to how to fix that.... conscious effort to load up on your right leg maybe by sinking fairly deeply into it? coaches can correct me there.

NLBwell 04-26-2013 07:43 AM

Get the contact point farther in front.

syke 04-26-2013 07:46 AM

Your sweat pants kept falling.... And you were pretty much distracted by it.

millardus 04-26-2013 07:48 AM

I would say that your shot at 28/29 seconds illustrates best the zero dropping of the body and the late contact.

boramiNYC 04-26-2013 09:05 AM

your arm and torso don't seem to be well connected and coordinated. so a lot of arming or disconnected free swinging of arm. it's a big work to fix it. start by hold a ball in your armpit and drop feed a buncha low balls and see how it kinda feel to move the arm with torso. then you need to recondition muscles and nerves around shoulder and armpit.

cluckcluck 04-26-2013 09:22 AM

To me, it looks like you're arming it too much. You're turning your hips and shoulders far too early and your arm too late.

mad dog1 04-26-2013 08:53 PM

as the infamous and now banned member, dozu, would say...too much swinging of the graphite racquet and not enough swinging of the human racquet

Cheetah 04-26-2013 09:20 PM

your fh doesn't 'breathe'.

.contact should be a little more out in front definitely

.elbow is too close to your torso. move it away from your body more.

.sometimes weight transfer is good. majority of the time not. so work on that.

.take back is too big. if you were taking monster swings everytime and were a full ratings point higher then maybe you could use that takeback. make it more compact. if you try this for a whole day you'll see the benefit. trust me.

.i don't like the way your wrist is cocked during takeback. it should be neutral everywhere except towards the end of the forward swing and at contact. after that it should release. You actually have a loose wrist when you start the forward swing and i can see some ssc in there so that's good. So what's the purpose of an extended wrist before that? None. So you should lose it. If you are more relaxed in takeback you'll eliminate one potential break-down factor.

.you're making contact at the same location so that's good. just too close. more out in front.

. time for you to incorporate some left arm usage. it's almost dead right now. you should at least try to hold on to the racquet for a longer time. If you look at any atp pro they hold that racquet with both hands much longer than you do. helps with unit turn and tames those with huge takebacks (like you)

swing path looks decent. would look better with elbow away from the body and contact more out in front.




Migelowsky 04-26-2013 09:44 PM

You are turning your shoulders on the preparation, but
still hitting just with your arm. Relax and let your
body start the kinetic chain so it can be transfer from
legs ->trunk -> all the way to the tip of your racket head.

Right now you look like a lefthander trying to play righthanded
Good luck

Gut4Tennis 04-26-2013 09:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by syke (Post 7369244)
Your sweat pants kept falling.... And you were pretty much distracted by it.

just wear what syke's avatar is wearing and you're golden :)

Gut4Tennis 04-26-2013 10:06 PM

lol omg the side view for me IMO is impossible to watch because your shoes look like flip flops

if not flip flops, nice indoor soccer shoes lol

Adidas samba?

Avles 04-27-2013 03:58 AM

Wow pretty unanimous opinions here. :) Thanks to all! As floppy as the fh looks now, it was about 10x worse when I started playing so i think it's slowly moving in the right direction... But these observations will definitely give me some things to focus on.

Yep, those are sambas... I feel more comfortable in a smaller flatter shoe and at my level I'm not going to shell out for fancy gear...

NLBwell 04-27-2013 09:51 PM

Your form is good enough that you should have shoes that will minimize your chance of injury.

leroy_sunset 04-27-2013 10:32 PM

Gotta hit the ball further out in front.

HughJars 04-28-2013 03:14 AM

You're not ready to take the next ball once you hit the ball, and its rushing on you, even though its a very slow pace. Youve got to get in your ready position early (split step) and anticipate, for a start.

cgwhitey99 04-28-2013 03:31 AM

all replies have been fairly constructive and consistent so far. however the first thing id address, and its pretty huge, is that you hit with an open stance (i.e you hit off the "back" foot. for a right hander thats the right foot). i understand many pros do this and they do this for a number of reasons but if you'd like to up the consistency, power, energy transfer from the legs and contact point of the ball you need to get that left leg leading. bring it to the front of your body and let it lead the way. as another member stated, get more knee bend and hit off a rock solid base. heres a nice little example of federer and sampras both hitting off the "front" foot


ATP100 04-28-2013 07:17 AM

All this information is nice, but, as usual, it is your footwork.

DavaiMarat 04-29-2013 10:43 AM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RYplyS9SRdg

Start it about 1:20 out and that's when I start hitting forehands.

1st of all, commendable to post a video up here. Feel free to ignore the *** hats and you occasionally get some good info in here. Posters such as Tennisballa, Systemic anomaly, Yandell, Ash_Smith etc, WilHamil will usually give you sound advice.

You have a decent forehand don't anyone tell you otherwise but there are a few things you can do to make it better.

The biggest problem is your hitting off your back foot. You're pivoting on the same foot your suppose to be loading on. While some call this a reverse pivot forehand it's only use in dire situations where you have to generate pace but don't have the proper time or spacing to do so. So you kick up the left foot to allow the hip to come around.

Now look at my footwork when I hit a forehand. I start very much like you do loading on my right foot. However, as I push off my hips are coming forward while yours are going back. You rotating off the wrong foot. My right foot comes forward and and lands parallel to my left or slightly ahead. This means I've use hips to propel my upper body to create torque. If you rotate with the hips moving backwards like you seem to be doing in your video you getting very little hip drive and mostly arm.

So how to fix this. There's a great little website called lockandrolltennis.com.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RYplyS9SRdg

There's a great little video tutorial on how to create the kinetic chain from the hip to the torso and into the arms. Note the torso and hips and arms don't fire all at the same time. This is how you create the elastic drive.

Now for the feet. Load the right foot as in a open stance forehand but you have to drive the hip so your weight comes around drives to your front foot (left). This is essential to creating good torque. At the end of the rotation you can lift the left foot as the right steps down to release the tension place on it by the hip rotation. Like the website describes above, the arm the rides the wave of the torso to hit the ball.

ATP100 04-29-2013 11:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DavaiMarat (Post 7376183)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RYplyS9SRdg

Start it about 1:20 out and that's when I start hitting forehands.

1st of all, commendable to post a video up here. Feel free to ignore the *** hats and you occasionally get some good info in here. Posters such as Tennisballa, Systemic anomaly, Yandell, Ash_Smith etc, WilHamil will usually give you sound advice.

You have a decent forehand don't anyone tell you otherwise but there are a few things you can do to make it better.

The biggest problem is your hitting off your back foot. You're pivoting on the same foot your suppose to be loading on. While some call this a reverse pivot forehand it's only use in dire situations where you have to generate pace but don't have the proper time or spacing to do so. So you kick up the left foot to allow the hip to come around.

Now look at my footwork when I hit a forehand. I start very much like you do loading on my right foot. However, as I push off my hips are coming forward while yours are going back. You rotating off the wrong foot. My right foot comes forward and and lands parallel to my left or slightly ahead. This means I've use hips to propel my upper body to create torque. If you rotate with the hips moving backwards like you seem to be doing in your video you getting very little hip drive and mostly arm.

So how to fix this. There's a great little website called lockandrolltennis.com.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RYplyS9SRdg

There's a great little video tutorial on how to create the kinetic chain from the hip to the torso and into the arms. Note the torso and hips and arms don't fire all at the same time. This is how you create the elastic drive.

Now for the feet. Load the right foot as in a open stance forehand but you have to drive the hip so your weight comes around drives to your front foot (left). This is essential to creating good torque. At the end of the rotation you can lift the left foot as the right steps down to release the tension place on it by the hip rotation. Like the website describes above, the arm the rides the wave of the torso to hit the ball.



You might want to look at your video again.


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