Talk Tennis

Talk Tennis (http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/index.php)
-   General Pro Player Discussion (http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/forumdisplay.php?f=13)
-   -   Why doesn't Nadal hit every forehand like this? (http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?t=462082)

Ehh 04-29-2013 06:40 AM

Why doesn't Nadal hit every forehand like this?
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...1-MCuiU#t=771s

Look at all Almagro is able to do with a forehand that bounces that deep and high. He is forced to bunt back a backhand overhead from the baseline. That's the only thing he could do. And if you have a two-handed backhand you're still not in good shape at all. You'd have to hit a double-handed backhand overhead from the baseline.

The thing is Nadal didn't really even swing that hard at that ball to make it bounce that high. Look at how he swings, he is sort of 3/4 pace, but probably very vertical swing, and maybe even a slightly open racket to get that extreme height.

The point is it takes very little effort for Nadal to hit a forehand like that, and it puts his opponent in literally an impossible situation.

Nadal's average forehand bounces high, but does not bounce clean over his opponents' heads like this one did, so why does he not play this forehand on every single point? Forget high backhands, everyone will need to hit backhand overheads!!

Gangsta 04-29-2013 06:45 AM

He is afraid of moonballing allegations on this forum?

tipsa...don'tlikehim! 04-29-2013 06:47 AM

this ball just hits the line that's why it's so tough to get it

anyway you think it's easy to play a match hitting every ball like that ? :lol:

mightyrick 04-29-2013 07:11 AM

If it was more advantageous for Nadal to hit this shot every time, he'd already be doing it.

Nadal's shot choices and patterns have already been optimized for his capabilities. The guy is a professional tennis player with professional coaches.

TheF1Bob 04-29-2013 07:22 AM

DAT MOONBALLING :shock:

m2nk2 04-29-2013 07:37 AM

It bounces off the line which makes it difficult for Almagro. However it's just to punch to ball when it's on its way up. Like Djoko did in Monte-Carlo.

Ehh 04-29-2013 07:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tipsa...don'tlikehim! (Post 7375602)
this ball just hits the line that's why it's so tough to get it

anyway you think it's easy to play a match hitting every ball like that ? :lol:

Yes, it could be that simple.

Super high and deep moonball to the backhand, opponent needs to hit a backhand overhead from the baseline, Nadal ambles to the net, puts away an easy smash with the whole court open. Every point he plays could be as easy as that for him. A two-shot combo.

Mike Sams 04-29-2013 08:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ehh (Post 7375731)
Yes, it could be that simple.

Super high and deep moonball to the backhand, opponent needs to hit a backhand overhead from the baseline, Nadal ambles to the net, puts away an easy smash with the whole court open. Every point he plays could be as easy as that for him. A two-shot combo.

That's like saying, why doesn't Nadal hit a forehand dtl in every point? Or why doesn't he serve like he did at USO 2010 all the time? :lol:
You obviously have never played tennis in your life. :lol:

Ehh 04-29-2013 08:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mike Sams (Post 7375806)
That's like saying, why doesn't Nadal hit a forehand dtl in every point? Or why doesn't he serve like he did at USO 2010 all the time? :lol:
You obviously have never played tennis in your life. :lol:

My point is that Nadal hit that shot with a 3/4 pace swing at the ball, hardly put any effort into it, and yet look at the world of hurt it caused Almagro. Really, Nadal should have put away the smash first try.

All Nadal really needs to do to win points is half-heartedly lob a very high and deep moonball to the backhand, then trot to the net and wait for the easy putaway.

Mike Sams 04-29-2013 08:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ehh (Post 7375824)
My point is that Nadal hit that shot with a 3/4 pace swing at the ball, hardly put any effort into it, and yet look at the world of hurt it caused Almagro. Really, Nadal should have put away the smash first try.

All Nadal really needs to do to win points is half-heartedly lob a very high and deep moonball to the backhand, then trot to the net and wait for the easy putaway.

Tell Uncle Toni and Nadal that. They have a facebook fanpage and an official site where you can post your suggestions.

Power Player 04-29-2013 09:37 AM

The ball hit the sideline..lol. Wow..have you ever played on clay before?

tipsa...don'tlikehim! 04-29-2013 09:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ehh (Post 7375824)
My point is that Nadal hit that shot with a 3/4 pace swing at the ball, hardly put any effort into it, and yet look at the world of hurt it caused Almagro. Really, Nadal should have put away the smash first try.

All Nadal really needs to do to win points is half-heartedly lob a very high and deep moonball to the backhand, then trot to the net and wait for the easy putaway.

the ball is sh ee t to play because it hits the line, if it didn't the shot would be a bit easier,
i think federer would take it just after the bounce (otherwise no chance to get it back), not to mention djokovic who would do the same with his 2Hand backhand...


You know, when I was watching Isner against Dodig in Miami serving huge kick on Dodig's backhand and following with a drop shot volley, i thought, why isn't he doing that everytime ?

a few weeks later i was watching Isner vs Gulbis at monte carlo, and Gulbis destroyed him with his backhand returns :lol:

tudwell 04-29-2013 09:48 AM

Any player with half a brain would have stepped in and cranked that one on the rise. Almagro was too far back, and that's why the shot was effective for Nadal. If he did that against Djokovic, it would be game over.

Power Player 04-29-2013 10:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tudwell (Post 7376017)
Any player with half a brain would have stepped in and cranked that one on the rise. Almagro was too far back, and that's why the shot was effective for Nadal. If he did that against Djokovic, it would be game over.

No, once again the ball hit the line. Sometimes there is nothing you can do when that happens.

spinovic 04-29-2013 10:56 AM

Why doesn't he hit drop shots every time?

Because if any tennis player hits the same shot over and over, their opponent will adjust, get dialed in and start crushing them.

Nadal mixes his shots, spins and locations to move his opponents around and then uses the shot at the most opportune time to hurt his opponent.

Nadal's topspin forehand isn't an unreturnable shot. He maximizes the effect of it by when and where he hits among the other shots in the rally. He crushes a lot of flatter forehand winners as well...often set up by the topspin and moving his opponent around.

tudwell 04-29-2013 11:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Power Player (Post 7376061)
No, once again the ball hit the line. Sometimes there is nothing you can do when that happens.

Ah, yes. Watching it again it's obvious it took an erratic bounce off the line. Yet another reason why Nadal shouldn't hit that way every time. 99% of the time the ball wouldn't kick up that high and would get clobbered.

doobiedoodoo 04-29-2013 11:27 AM

Djokovic would have ate that forehand up and ripped it back for a winner.

Max G. 04-29-2013 11:51 AM

It's a very high-risk shot. Sure, if you get it really deep really high, to the backhand, it's hard to return.

But what if you don't? If you hit it just a little short, or just a little too close to the forehand side, or just a little low, that shot is a sitting duck. Or if the other person sees what's coming and just takes a few steps back, they can just return it deep and high as well - not a good position for them, but not point-ending by any means.

It's easy to look at a good shot that hit the line and ask "why don't they just do it every time?" But you have to consider what the shot would be like if it doesn't come out perfect.

There's a lot of shots like that. For example, Nadal and all the other top players can hit winners from any position on the court, especially if they get a forehand. No matter where on court Nadal is, you can bet that there's a highlight reel somewhere of him hitting a forehand winner from there. Why doesn't he go for forehand winners every shot? Well, because usually, going for the percentages is better. A shot that's deep and has pace and spin but is far enough from the lines to have safety, and which doesn't give the opponent an opening is a better play than a shot which might win you the point outright or might lose the point outright.

Sid_Vicious 04-29-2013 12:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tudwell (Post 7376017)
Any player with half a brain would have stepped in and cranked that one on the rise. Almagro was too far back, and that's why the shot was effective for Nadal. If he did that against Djokovic, it would be game over.

I think that ball had such a freaky bounce that even Djokovic would be overwhelmed, but you are right in that Djokovic has a great ability to neutralize high bouncing shots.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...VyVaAfI#t=457s

ctoth666 04-29-2013 12:45 PM

If your question is whether or not it would be a good idea for Nadal to hit every forehand falling backward, slightly mis-hitting it, having the opponent think the ball is going out and instead placing it smack on the line, then your answer is yes. But that is a terrible strategy. Even if you couldn't get it on the rise, it's possible to hit an overhead or take it out of the air, and even for an amateur like myself, I would back my *** up and have enough time to hit it DTL.


All times are GMT -8. The time now is 10:38 PM.

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.6.9
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
© 2006 - Tennis Warehouse