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taurussable 07-03-2013 05:10 PM

rip control user convert to poly
 
I used rip control 17 at 55-57lbs on my mg rads and recently felt a lack of power. tried sppp 17 at 50lbs and wow what a difference. switched back and forth of my rip control 17 and sppp on two matched racquets, rip control is soft comfortable and dead, I much prefer the feel of sppp, a lot more power and feel.

want to buy a reel of poly for my daily string. Can someone recommend a spinny and powerful, somewhat durable poly? I have sppp, cyberflash, solinco bite, snakebite, power cord as some of the options.

Hoons54 07-03-2013 05:30 PM

Try Weiss cannon scorpion

diredesire 07-03-2013 05:57 PM

IMHO there's no rush to go reel unless you encounter significant savings. If you've got a ton of string, try swapping in the trade thread.

If you're just starting to experiment with poly and feel that SPPP is powerful, you've probably got a LOT more experimentation to do. Most poly is going to be pretty 'spinny,' so you're gonig to have to qualify that statement. If you're looking power, I'd try Gosen's poly (the higher end ones, not the polylon). PolyQuest is a good deal if you're looking for power. Feels very resilient and springy, like a syn gut, lower than average spin (for a poly -- still excellent).

Payam 07-03-2013 05:57 PM

As you might have read on this forum, durable and poly are almost antonyms, you won't break them but they lose tension pretty soon (under 10 hours) and you need to restring your racket again.
Most polys are also under-powered and designed for big hitters, so if it only power that you are after I suggest trying other nylon/multis which are more powerful than RIP Control.

How if weekly or bi-weekly stringing is not a problem for you and you still wanna buy a reel of one of those polys, I recommend SPPP because it keeps it tension way more than others.

taurussable 07-03-2013 06:16 PM

Thank all for the advice!

a few more data points:

I have 3 matched racquets very suitable for experimentation.

I want natural spin without changing my technique. my technique doesn't generates a lot of spin by itself.

I would prefer a non-shaped poly because I string myself, the shaped ones hurts my fingers. although non-shaped poly might be a contradiction to spin.

I never played synthetic gut. I started tennis with alpha gut 2000 and used rip control ever since. I can't control the power of usual mutis.

I don't need the string to be super durable as I string myself.

I never tried to string the rip control below 55lbs on microgel radical mp.

ricardo 07-03-2013 06:27 PM

Technique generates more than 80% of spin..
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by taurussable (Post 7560876)
my technique doesn't generates a lot of spin by itself.

Technique generates more than 80% of spin. Equipment (frame/string) help generate additional spin. If you hit flat, even the Wilson spin effect technology (99S and 105S) will not significantly help you generate spin.

Get serious. If you want decent spin, change your technique.

ricardo 07-03-2013 06:32 PM

Technique generates more than 80% of spin..
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by taurussable (Post 7560876)
my technique doesn't generates a lot of spin by itself.

Technique generates more than 80% of spin. Equipment (frame/string) help generate additional spin. If you hit flat, even the Wilson spin effect technology (99S and 105S) will not significantly help you generate spin.

Get serious. If you want decent spin, change your technique.

Payam 07-03-2013 07:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by taurussable (Post 7560876)
Thank all for the advice!

a few more data points:

I have 3 matched racquets very suitable for experimentation.

I want natural spin without changing my technique. my technique doesn't generates a lot of spin by itself.

I would prefer a non-shaped poly because I string myself, the shaped ones hurts my fingers. although non-shaped poly might be a contradiction to spin.

I never played synthetic gut. I started tennis with alpha gut 2000 and used rip control ever since. I can't control the power of usual mutis.

I don't need the string to be super durable as I string myself.

I never tried to string the rip control below 55lbs on microgel radical mp.

Oh ok, it is great that you restring for yourself. Here are some suggestion from the SPPP website:

Power: Plasma Pure 1,23 mm (mains) + Hyperion 1,18 mm (crosses)
Control: Tornado 1,23 mm (mains) + Poly Plasma 1,18 mm (crosses)
Durability: Poly Plasma 1,28 mm (mains) + Poly Plasma 1,23 mm (crosses)
Feel: Hyperion 1,24 mm (mains) + Cross Gut 1,30 mm (crosses)
Spin: Plasma Hextreme 1,25 mm (mains) + Poly Plasma 1,23 mm (crosses)
Spin: Tornado 1,23 mm (mains) + Hyperion 1,18 mm (crosses)

drgchen 07-03-2013 07:13 PM

If you are new to polys, buy a few sets of different strings and try them.
Find which one works for you, then buy the reel.
SPPP and topspin cyber blue or cyber flash are affordable reels. Tour bite is popular, more expensive, and shaped. It plays stiffer than the previous two strings. Luxilon is expensive, but plays really well, 4G and alu power are quite popular. Volkl cyclone is decent and affordable.

I made the mistake of buying reels because it was cheaper...now have many that I dont use.

Karstic 07-04-2013 05:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by drgchen (Post 7560953)
If you are new to polys, buy a few sets of different strings and try them.
Find which one works for you, then buy the reel...

I made the mistake of buying reels because it was cheaper...now have many that I dont use.

Yep, this, though I'd purchased a reel of Pro's Pro Nano Vendetta without having done so and was very happy with it. I'd planned to use it as a cross for BHSR in a poly/poly hybrid to cut costs (as if BHSR wasn't a bargain already), and found it to be nearly as good in a full bed. I now have reels in both gauges.

From my admittedly limited experience, I suggest sets of Iontec (soft and powerful), Black Mamba (more muted) and BHSR or BHS (crisp) to get an idea what you want from a poly, and to go from there.

bad_call 07-04-2013 05:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by diredesire (Post 7560842)
IMHO there's no rush to go reel unless you encounter significant savings. If you've got a ton of string, try swapping in the trade thread.

If you're just starting to experiment with poly and feel that SPPP is powerful, you've probably got a LOT more experimentation to do. Most poly is going to be pretty 'spinny,' so you're gonig to have to qualify that statement.
If you're looking power, I'd try Gosen's poly (the higher end ones, not the polylon). PolyQuest is a good deal if you're looking for power. Feels very resilient and springy, like a syn gut, lower than average spin (for a poly -- still excellent).

wholeheartedly agree with drd here.

diredesire 07-04-2013 01:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Payam (Post 7560843)
As you might have read on this forum, durable and poly are almost antonyms, you won't break them but they lose tension pretty soon (under 10 hours) and you need to restring your racket again.
Most polys are also under-powered and designed for big hitters, so if it only power that you are after I suggest trying other nylon/multis which are more powerful than RIP Control.

How if weekly or bi-weekly stringing is not a problem for you and you still wanna buy a reel of one of those polys, I recommend SPPP because it keeps it tension way more than others.

I agree with Payam, if you want to keep poly as arm friendly as possible, you shouldn't really wait for it to go dead. It's an interesting issue to have... SPPP doesn't actually hold tension extremely well, it just plays consistently across the string life -- it still has the weakness of all polys (tension loss). It just doesn't trampoline after the tension drops. It's definitely a nice string, I wouldn't call it powerful like OP, though.

Quote:

Originally Posted by taurussable (Post 7560876)
Thank all for the advice!

a few more data points:

I have 3 matched racquets very suitable for experimentation.

I want natural spin without changing my technique. my technique doesn't generates a lot of spin by itself.

I would prefer a non-shaped poly because I string myself, the shaped ones hurts my fingers. although non-shaped poly might be a contradiction to spin.

I never played synthetic gut. I started tennis with alpha gut 2000 and used rip control ever since. I can't control the power of usual mutis.

I don't need the string to be super durable as I string myself.

I never tried to string the rip control below 55lbs on microgel radical mp.

IMHO, sounds like you don't know what you're looking for, yet. Alpha Gut 2000 is a pretty unique multifilament, so I wouldn't rule out all the other multis yet, either. I'd experiment with some of the syn guts -- go trade strings in the string trade thread (if you've got any). Otherwise, experiment with sets before just buying a blind reel (unless it's <$50, then I think there's little risk).

Quote:

Originally Posted by drgchen (Post 7560953)
If you are new to polys, buy a few sets of different strings and try them.
Find which one works for you, then buy the reel.
SPPP and topspin cyber blue or cyber flash are affordable reels. Tour bite is popular, more expensive, and shaped. It plays stiffer than the previous two strings. Luxilon is expensive, but plays really well, 4G and alu power are quite popular. Volkl cyclone is decent and affordable.

I made the mistake of buying reels because it was cheaper...now have many that I dont use.

Agree. The recommendations above are solid exploration choices. OP, you can't buy strings due to the FS/T policies, but if you were to e-mail around, maybe you could get lucky and someone would be willing to 'trade' you for reel price/value ;) ;)

Smasher08 07-04-2013 01:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by taurussable (Post 7560758)
I used rip control 17 at 55-57lbs on my mg rads and recently felt a lack of power. tried sppp 17 at 50lbs and wow what a difference. switched back and forth of my rip control 17 and sppp on two matched racquets, rip control is soft comfortable and dead, I much prefer the feel of sppp, a lot more power and feel.

Why not just string RIP at 50? IMO poly should be used by people > NTRP 4.5.

I know a lot of people who've tried poly, myself included, and experienced arm/shoulder issues. Why risk injury?

FWIW I've also heard really good things about Prince Premier Attack.

Say Chi Sin Lo 07-04-2013 01:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ricardo (Post 7560900)
Technique generates more than 80% of spin. Equipment (frame/string) help generate additional spin. If you hit flat, even the Wilson spin effect technology (99S and 105S) will not significantly help you generate spin.

Get serious. If you want decent spin, change your technique.

You know you can't say things like that here. It's just blasphemy. Everytime one makes an equipment change to his/her favor, their NTRP automatically jump up by 1.0 at least.

fortun8son 07-04-2013 02:17 PM

Mantis Comfort Synthetic is also a good, low-powered, comfortable multi with more feel than RIP Control.
Premature breakage should not be a problem in a Radical with a flat stroke. Not a lot of spin potential, although the Rad isn't exactly a 'spin monster' either.
Of course, Agassi had no problem generating spin with his Rads, but look at his stroke! :)


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