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OrangePower 07-13-2013 12:07 PM

Grievance DQ question
 
A guy at my club is in this situation and asked me. I didn't really know the answer so figured I'd ask the forum:

Five or six years ago he started playing USTA league after a long time away from tennis. Based on his answers to the self-rate questions he ended up as a 4.5S. But he was not competitive at 4.5, and got bumped down to a 4.0C at the end of his first year. He played his second and third years as a 4.0C with a middle of the road record and stayed at 4.0C at the end of both those years.

Then some life events caused him to stop playing again for several years.

He started playing again this year and had to self-rate again. He self-rated as a 4.0 since that was his last computer rating. He has a middle of the road record so far.

However someone has filed a grievance on him. The grievance asserts that based on the self-rating questions, he should have self-rated as a 4.5S. And this is true - he is still in the same age bracket as when he originally self-rated five or six years ago, and so answering the questions now as he did back then would still have him as a 4.5.

Should he be worried? Should he have self-rated as a 4.5 and then appealed down? Or was he correct in self rating at his last computer rating? His results bear out the legitimacy of his 4.0 rating, but does that even matter?

JLyon 07-13-2013 12:41 PM

his last computer ranking should be valid, when a player is out they must rerate at their last published rating and that should be valid in this case

J_R_B 07-13-2013 12:51 PM

He should have answered the questions honestly and if that made him a 4.5, then he should appeal that down. In this section, since he actually was a 4.0 in his last valid computer rating, he would have been granted the appeal for sure. By faking the self-rating so you don't have to go through the appeals is stupid and just open yourself up to this type of grievance.

dizzlmcwizzl 07-13-2013 06:14 PM

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Originally Posted by JLyon (Post 7588450)
his last computer ranking should be valid, when a player is out they must rerate at their last published rating and that should be valid in this case

I think the policy is that he cannot self rate lower than his last rating ... not that they must rerate at the same spot.

Gut4Tennis 07-13-2013 11:53 PM

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Originally Posted by OrangePower (Post 7588391)
A guy at my club is in this situation and asked me. I didn't really know the answer so figured I'd ask the forum:

Five or six years ago he started playing USTA league after a long time away from tennis. Based on his answers to the self-rate questions he ended up as a 4.5S. But he was not competitive at 4.5, and got bumped down to a 4.0C at the end of his first year. He played his second and third years as a 4.0C with a middle of the road record and stayed at 4.0C at the end of both those years.

Then some life events caused him to stop playing again for several years.

He started playing again this year and had to self-rate again. He self-rated as a 4.0 since that was his last computer rating. He has a middle of the road record so far.

However someone has filed a grievance on him. The grievance asserts that based on the self-rating questions, he should have self-rated as a 4.5S. And this is true - he is still in the same age bracket as when he originally self-rated five or six years ago, and so answering the questions now as he did back then would still have him as a 4.5.

Should he be worried? Should he have self-rated as a 4.5 and then appealed down? Or was he correct in self rating at his last computer rating? His results bear out the legitimacy of his 4.0 rating, but does that even matter?

so someone paid 50 bucks to say he should be a 4.5 when he played 4.0 for a few seasons and was middle of the road.

what a waste of 50 bucks

* I seem to remember to file a grievance you have to pay a 50 check along with the filled out form with proof. if you're correct you get the 50 bucks back, if wrong the sections keeps it and cashes it and they all have a pizza party on you

SunshineJS 07-15-2013 05:37 PM

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Originally Posted by J_R_B (Post 7588467)
He should have answered the questions honestly and if that made him a 4.5, then he should appeal that down. In this section, since he actually was a 4.0 in his last valid computer rating, he would have been granted the appeal for sure. By faking the self-rating so you don't have to go through the appeals is stupid and just open yourself up to this type of grievance.

+1

If he lied on the self-rate then he can, and should, be punished for doing so. The self-rate questionnaire has two places where players must check and acknowledge that they are telling the truth and not omitting any pertinent information.

OrangePower 07-15-2013 07:14 PM

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Originally Posted by SunshineJS (Post 7592864)
+1

If he lied on the self-rate then he can, and should, be punished for doing so. The self-rate questionnaire has two places where players must check and acknowledge that they are telling the truth and not omitting any pertinent information.

I don't know if he lied on the questionnaire or not... I haven't looked at the self rate process in ages so I'm not even sure what all the steps are. Is it possible he didn't answer the questions but just entered in 4.0 as his self rating since that was his most recent computer rating? We are in Norcal in case that makes any difference (we don't use tennislink here - have our own web system).

I do agree though that it would have been safer for him to self-rate 4.5 and then appeal, and no doubt the appeal would have been granted given that his most recent playing activity was at 4.0 and was mediocre.

I don't have a personal interest in this either way, but I do think it would be sad if he got DQ'd on a technicality when by any objective measure he really is a 4.0 - even the computer thought he's a 4.0.

OrangePower 07-15-2013 07:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Gut4Tennis (Post 7589372)
so someone paid 50 bucks to say he should be a 4.5 when he played 4.0 for a few seasons and was middle of the road.

what a waste of 50 bucks

* I seem to remember to file a grievance you have to pay a 50 check along with the filled out form with proof. if you're correct you get the 50 bucks back, if wrong the sections keeps it and cashes it and they all have a pizza party on you

Well, we'll see if it was a waste of $50 or not! Some posters seem to be of the opinion that the grievance will hold.

I do think it's very sad though that some opponent or captain would want to DQ this guy on a technicality even though it is very clear that he is rated at the correct level in terms of skill.

Nostradamus 07-15-2013 07:20 PM

Is only the captains can file grievance or can a player on team also file grievance on their own ?

Gut4Tennis 07-15-2013 08:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Nostradamus (Post 7593031)
Is only the captains can file grievance or can a player on team also file grievance on their own ?


only the captain

the captain has to do it and the check has to have the captains name on it

it can be delivered to the section office by anyone or mail


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