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joeygun 07-25-2013 06:56 PM

Open or Closed Stance
 
Working on my daughter's forehand. Any help appreciated.

Thanks

newpball 07-25-2013 07:08 PM

I would not bother with closed or neutral (the terminology is not always consistent) stances, the time of 65inch wooden rackets is way behind us where those stances were a sheer necessity.

Also I would avoid any instructor who shows a back to front forehand swing with a stiff wrist with one foot way in front of the other.

But that is just my opinion. :)

The Meat 07-25-2013 07:20 PM

You hit with open or closed depending on the shot. It's impossible to go forward and hit a forehand hitting open stance(unless of course you slide forwards somehow with both feet in horse position. :)). Do you mean just neutral baseline? Depends on how much time you have.

newpball 07-25-2013 07:27 PM

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Originally Posted by The Meat (Post 7614173)
unless of course you slide forwards somehow with both feet in horse position.

The Gangnam style forehand!


http://youtu.be/8Bq8z2OoRQU

VeeSe 07-25-2013 10:32 PM

If I have time, I always go mostly neutral stance on forehands (maybe not completely sideways, but most of the way there). There are plenty of guys on tour who do this too (Berdych comes to mind). Of course, you'll have to know how to hit both kinds, as you'll still be hitting open stance quite often.

GuyClinch 07-26-2013 01:05 AM

All. But mostly open. If the ball is coming right towards you you can step into it and finish OTS. However for most shots you want to step out - swing more across the body and finish lower with a WW swing. If you watch the players on the tour they are mostly doing this..

Actually very occasionally they will used closed stance too. In squash you frequently hit out of a closed stance but of course its a backspin/flatish sort of squash shot. Pros will use this as a 'emergency' measure. But in truth they can hit it pretty reliably. You can use this shot on both wings - but I am not certain its something a rec player needs to practice.

Lukhas 07-26-2013 01:20 AM

Both, depending of the situation. On groundstrokes open stance helps generate more power, while approach shots benefit from the gain of precision of a closed stance.

I'd teach her the closed stance. beginners tens to be lazy in positioning and footwork, so while open stance sounds good, it tends to give bad habits to the player. Once closed stance is mastered, make her learn the open stance.

ProgressoR 07-26-2013 06:55 AM

I agree with Lukhas, I am teaching my daughters, and am focussing on neutral stance, once they get the hang of that, then I can look at more open stance options.

They are new to tennis and i think neutral or closed helps to the get the sideways thing and turning the shoulders more naturally.

tennis_balla 07-26-2013 11:08 AM

Teach her the neutral stance first, closed stance is useless at this point and pretty much will be except for a few rare occasions. Once she's comfortable with that, start to introduce open stance on wide and deep balls and go from there. Teach her to find the ball with her right leg on forehand, and left leg on backhand (for righty). Find meaning distance from the ball, loading, etc.

Can't give anymore info than that sorry. No idea about your daughter's level, age, experience etc. For all we know she could be 3 yrs old. Any other advice is pure speculation or generic answers you see in every other thread.

Ash_Smith 07-26-2013 11:58 AM

More detail needed OP...

sureshs 07-26-2013 12:19 PM

Semi open and neutral for FH, semi open, neutral and closed for BH

joeygun 07-26-2013 02:07 PM

More Information
 
Daughter is 16, right handed, HS junior varsity - probably 2.0 - 2.5 skill level.

ATP100 07-26-2013 02:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by joeygun (Post 7616207)
Daughter is 16, right handed, HS junior varsity - probably 2.0 - 2.5 skill level.


Start with hitting the ball high over the net.
I know, I know, sounds basic, but, most recreational players can't do this.

Lukhas 07-26-2013 02:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lukhas (Post 7614801)
Both, depending of the situation. On groundstrokes open stance helps generate more power, while approach shots benefit from the gain of precision of a closed stance.

I'd teach her the closed stance. beginners tens to be lazy in positioning and footwork, so while open stance sounds good, it tends to give bad habits to the player. Once closed stance is mastered, make her learn the open stance.

Woot, I meant neutral stance. Switch "closed" with "neutral" and the point stands. Anyway, closed is still worth it for approach shots or to gain precision, but I guess we're not quite there yet.

Ash_Smith 07-26-2013 02:49 PM

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Originally Posted by joeygun (Post 7616207)
Daughter is 16, right handed, HS junior varsity - probably 2.0 - 2.5 skill level.

Don't really know US ratings, but I gather that is pretty basic?

With that in mind I would concentrate on helping her find and protect her contact point before specifically focussing on the foot positions. You might be surprised how well she places her feet if you put her in situations where she has to work to protect her contact.

Hope this makes sense?

Cheers

joeygun 07-29-2013 05:42 PM

Stance
 
Awesome, thanks!

5263 07-29-2013 09:14 PM

work with mostly open and semi open stances in instruction.
Neutral/closed will then be easy on the rare times you need them for a
good contact point. Sure they are used here and there to facilitate a
quality contact point at times, but not the ideal way to do it if you have
time to set up for one of the open stances.

Semi open and open teach the coil, but with closed and neutral there is
no coil and the shoulders are still inline with the hips, so....you can only
uncoil into the ball...not the best or most natural swing.
Needs to be augmented with forward linear momentum...not the best for
controlling power in a shot.

SystemicAnomaly 07-29-2013 09:45 PM

My advice is to start with neutral and semi-open stances. Save the closed stance for much later. I still teach the neutral first, making certain that the student properly coils and uncoils. Shortly after, I introduce the semi-open stance -- making sure that the feet still turn and the torso coils properly.

Despite what some here may believe, the neutral stance is not dead or even rare in the modern game. It is still used quite a bit at the pro levels.

http://www.optimumtennis.net/tennis-stances.htm
http://www.optimumtennis.net/images/...nce-tennis.jpg




http://blog.tennisspeed.com/
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SystemicAnomaly 07-30-2013 11:21 AM

More views on the various stances... Nick B's bias with his "Killer Forehand" is to develop both the open and neutral stances and minimize the use of the closed stance. Dave Smith, however, does show the closed stance as an advanced technique on some running FHs. Here is what he has to say about FH stances on the TennisOne site:

"While it is absolutely true that the open stance forehand has indeed become synonymous with today’s ‘modern forehand,’ the idea of abandoning the closed or neutral stance forehand is a mistake among those who choose to only offer an open stance patterns to their students."

http://www.tennisplayer.net/public/f...and_part2.html

http://www.tennisone.com/newsletter/...ewsletter.html

5263 07-30-2013 04:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SystemicAnomaly (Post 7624490)

"While it is absolutely true that the open stance forehand has indeed become synonymous with today’s ‘modern forehand,’ the idea of abandoning the closed or neutral stance forehand is a mistake among those who choose to only offer an open stance patterns to their students."

Interesting comment by Dave there, as I've never seen or heard of any instruction
that abandoned the closed/neutral stance, and at MTM we are some of the
strongest proponents of open/semi open stance for the Fh and even some use
on the Bh.


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