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Golden_state_of_mind 10-03-2013 11:25 AM

Re-starting Arizona State men's tennis
 
So I recently moved to the Tempe area and have been working with ASU athletics. I have got together a few people who want to re-instate the men's tennis program. I think that they should considering the resources the school has. makes no sense that the nation's highest enrolled school doesn't have a men's tennis program.

what do you think? would you like to help?

Nostradamus 10-03-2013 11:36 AM

they have pretty decent tennis courts. they should have a team

ClarkC 10-03-2013 12:07 PM

You will have to convince them to fund some new women's sport in addition to reviving the men's tennis team. I think you should start by investigating the financial picture for the athletic department as a whole. Are they turning a profit, or getting subsidized by university funds?

Golden_state_of_mind 10-04-2013 07:39 AM

Arizona State has plenty of women's sports. The issue was a title nine one, but ASU dosent even have men's soccer do really the amount of men's scholarships is low.

lstewart 10-04-2013 10:27 AM

You are forgetting football. I don't know the specific title 9 language, but I think basically similar totals have to be offered for men and women. Since football has 80 or more on scholarship, that means that women programs are allocated more in the other sports. I assume they have a balance now between the men and women. So, if they are going to start spending on men's tennis, they will either have to spend more on women's sports, or drop some other men's sport. The have to maintain that balance. In Arkansas almost all of the men's tennis programs at the state funded schools have been dropped over the years.

Golden_state_of_mind 10-04-2013 10:32 AM

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Originally Posted by lstewart (Post 7797716)
You are forgetting football. I don't know the specific title 9 language, but I think basically similar totals have to be offered for men and women. Since football has 80 or more on scholarship, that means that women programs are allocated more in the other sports. I assume they have a balance now between the men and women. So, if they are going to start spending on men's tennis, they will either have to spend more on women's sports, or drop some other men's sport. The have to maintain that balance. In Arkansas almost all of the men's tennis programs at the state funded schools have been dropped over the years.

But Arkansas has tennis yes. Men;s tennis is only 4.5 scholarships and has a very small operating budget, I have never understood schools dropping the tennis program.

Right now ASU has 8 men's programs and 13 women's programs. I understand the football element, but every school in the country that has football deals with that.

The big scholarship eater for ASU is wrestling. However this is off-set by the women's sand volleyball team, which is a very niche sport.

lstewart 10-04-2013 10:38 AM

You are preaching to the choir. The University of Arkansas plays men's tennis. When I was playing at another state school, there were probably 10 or so other state funded colleges in Arkansas playing men's tennis that have dropped their programs. The 4.5 scholarships are not a lot, but the total budget won't be small. Coaches, travel, team materials, probably several hundred thousand dollars for a total budget for a BCS conference D1 program.

Golden_state_of_mind 10-04-2013 10:43 AM

It won't be small, but no more than baseball, which is the biggest money loser for most major universities.
It's interesting what you say about Arkansas because now that I think about the Backs are the only ones I know of with a men's tennis team.
But that's not the issue in Arizona as UA and NAU both have teams

lstewart 10-04-2013 10:54 AM

I played long ago, and then helped keep my former school's program going while an administrator there. They dropped it about the time I left, which was probably around the time most of the other state programs were dropped. I've got a son who is a senior in high school, so I had talked to many of the AD's at these schools last year asking if they might consider bringing back men's tennis. Several of them said they would love to, but all said they could not afford it. Would either have to add another women's sport, or drop some other men's sport. All these school's play men's golf, which is the sport that survived instead of men's tennis. The issue for any school wanting to bring back men's tennis, or start a program, is maintaining the title 9 balance. Assuming they are in balance in their total program before adding men's tennis, they are either going to have to add another women's program, or drop one of the existing men's programs. That's why almost no state schools bring it back.

lstewart 10-04-2013 10:56 AM

Baseball at Arkansas actually funds itself. Very successful program selling a lot of tickets.

NickC 10-04-2013 06:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Golden_state_of_mind (Post 7797327)
Arizona State has plenty of women's sports. The issue was a title nine one, but ASU dosent even have men's soccer do really the amount of men's scholarships is low.

ASU and UA don't have men's soccer for a different reason than you'd expect - Real Salt Lake (the MLS team) has their development academy based in Casa Grande. Lots of the talent pool is sucked up by that program and is not a pipeline for college soccer, but for professional soccer (see Diskkerud, Mix or Red Bull New York's keeper). The ones that do play college soccer (and aren't being groomed to go pro) play for Pima County's community college, which happens to have the best community college soccer program in the country.

The big universities can't compete with that.

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Originally Posted by Golden_state_of_mind (Post 7797725)
But Arkansas has tennis yes. Men;s tennis is only 4.5 scholarships and has a very small operating budget, I have never understood schools dropping the tennis program.

Right now ASU has 8 men's programs and 13 women's programs. I understand the football element, but every school in the country that has football deals with that.

The big scholarship eater for ASU is wrestling. However this is off-set by the women's sand volleyball team, which is a very niche sport.

We have the same thing - we wanted more scholarships for football players because the new coach wanted them, so we dropped a men's sport IIRC and added women's beach volleyball. Because honestly, who the f*ck plays collegiate women's beach volleyball? All of, like, 5 schools.

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Originally Posted by Golden_state_of_mind (Post 7797741)
It won't be small, but no more than baseball, which is the biggest money loser for most major universities.
It's interesting what you say about Arkansas because now that I think about the Backs are the only ones I know of with a men's tennis team.
But that's not the issue in Arizona as UA and NAU both have teams

No we don't. In the years I spent studying out in Tucson, we had nothing that resembled a team. A few good players all wearing matching shirts and coached by a moron, yes. But a proper team? No.

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Originally Posted by lstewart (Post 7797763)
Baseball at Arkansas actually funds itself. Very successful program selling a lot of tickets.

Same goes for the program we have in Tucson at UA. They won it all a few years ago and have quite the following. I don't know if they turn a profit, but they do generate some good revenue.

PhxRacket 10-04-2013 07:15 PM

When I learned that ASU had dropped men's tennis, I was shocked. I grew up in Phoenix and, as a ranked junior, loved the few chances I had to see the Sun Devils. Alas, that was all together too long ago. President Crow, BRING BACK MEN'S TENNIS. If you can afford a giant capital expenditure for a silly tarp for the football field, surely there is money for a men's tennis team. But, I digress. I would be in favor of men's tennis at ASU and I am a UA alum who bleeds red and blue.

Clemson_tennis 10-04-2013 08:35 PM

GSOM is correct in saying that baseball loses a ton of money. Even at Clemson, which has a pretty elite team most years and spends a lot of marketing and time making baseball popular on campus. Clemson fans love baseball. yet I heard from several in the athletic department that Clemson baseball still lost a lot of money each year.

andfor 10-05-2013 06:41 AM

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Originally Posted by lstewart (Post 7797735)
You are preaching to the choir. The University of Arkansas plays men's tennis. When I was playing at another state school, there were probably 10 or so other state funded colleges in Arkansas playing men's tennis that have dropped their programs. The 4.5 scholarships are not a lot, but the total budget won't be small. Coaches, travel, team materials, probably several hundred thousand dollars for a total budget for a BCS conference D1 program.

U of Arkansas Pine Bluff DI and U of Arkansas Ft. Smith DII both have mens tennis. Southern Arkansas, UALR and Arkansas Tech have dropped mens tennis, UALR dropped both. Having trouble figuring out 4 more state schools there that had mens tennis, maybe AR State. Regardless, it's sad how there are only three state schools left in AR with mens tennis.

lstewart 10-07-2013 12:27 PM

I played for Southern Arkansas from 1976-1980. In those days UAM, Henderson State, UCA, and a couple of JUCO's also had men's teams. That's not including some small private in state schools that have dropped their men's teams as well.

bluetrain4 10-07-2013 12:51 PM

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Originally Posted by lstewart (Post 7797763)
Baseball at Arkansas actually funds itself. Very successful program selling a lot of tickets.

Maybe it does fund itself (various fundraisers, dontations, boosters, ticket sales), but I don't think it can do so just selling tickets, unless they are really expensive tickets.

lstewart 10-08-2013 05:28 AM

I don't have all the details, so I might not be giving entirely accurate information, but the word on campus is that the Razorback baseball program is on solid ground financially. We have one of the nicer college stadiums in the country, and there are a lot of tickets sold. In 2010 Arkansas was second in the country in attendance, averaging 7,700 fans per game. SEC 3 game weekend series probably average close to 10,000 fans per game. College baseball is popular here, and they generate a lot of revenue. My guess is they may be generating ticket sales in the 1.4 mil or more per season.

WARPWOODIE 10-08-2013 06:05 AM

On a side note...ASU is in the PAC 12 conference. What happens if they do re-start their program, does one of the two new (schools) that were added get dropped?...I believe it is Utah and Colorado.

And yes, it would be great to have ASU back!

TopDawg 10-08-2013 06:45 AM

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Originally Posted by WARPWOODIE (Post 7805892)
On a side note...ASU is in the PAC 12 conference. What happens if they do re-start their program, does one of the two new (schools) that were added get dropped?...I believe it is Utah and Colorado.

And yes, it would be great to have ASU back!

IF they were to come back then that would give the Pac 12 9 schools playing men's tennis. Colorado dropped it a few years back.

JLyon 10-08-2013 06:49 AM

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Originally Posted by andfor (Post 7799452)
U of Arkansas Pine Bluff DI and U of Arkansas Ft. Smith DII both have mens tennis. Southern Arkansas, UALR and Arkansas Tech have dropped mens tennis, UALR dropped both. Having trouble figuring out 4 more state schools there that had mens tennis, maybe AR State. Regardless, it's sad how there are only three state schools left in AR with mens tennis.

State Schools: UA, UAPB, UAFS have teams
Private: Harding, Ouachita Baptist for D2

UCA once had men's tennis I believe years ago
Also Southern Arkansas also dropped their women's team last year I believe


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