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Exzite1 10-05-2013 07:28 PM

Second serve
 
Hey guys,
Was interested in some feedback on my second serve.
Been working hard on it lately and wondering what I can do to reach the next level.

Cheers

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=7Dcx4f5f4_o

psv255 10-06-2013 05:41 AM

Looks like a pretty effective second, if you can place it. Nothing bad stands out with your motion, but you do tend to pull your body down right after contact. Keep moving up after contact and don't let your head/torso collapse.

It also seems flattish for a second serve, low clearance over the net. If you're looking for more spin, try to swing more up and along the baseline rather than into the court and thru the ball, keeping your chest facing the side fence longer. It will give you more net clearance and a more tricky spin for the opponent to read.

WildVolley 10-06-2013 02:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Exzite1 (Post 7800778)
Hey guys,
Was interested in some feedback on my second serve.
Been working hard on it lately and wondering what I can do to reach the next level.

Cheers

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=7Dcx4f5f4_o

I second psv255's comments.

The swing-path and shoulder set up seem to be for a standard first serve. If you want more action on the ball, you should turn your shoulders more away from the target and have more of a brushing motion at contact. You can either alter your stance for the second serve, or consciously turn the shoulders further away.

Your mechanics look strong, but if you get more brush, you'll get consistency by trading some pace for spin.

Nostradamus 10-06-2013 02:30 PM

Add little more kick to that serve. It could break down in stressful critical points. need to clear the net by bigger margin. add little more up and out motion to add more kick

Exzite1 10-06-2013 07:54 PM

Thanks guys. Really looking to get the ball wider to the backhand and shorter up the court. I often feel my kick is effective enough but I wasn't getting much out of the ball that night.

No excuses however but I just would love to be able to stretch my opponent more on that side.

psv255 10-07-2013 02:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Exzite1 (Post 7803011)
Thanks guys. Really looking to get the ball wider to the backhand and shorter up the court.
[...] I just would love to be able to stretch my opponent more on that side.

You can do both if you (1) swing more in the plane of the baseline by keeping your elbow back behind the ball, and (2) move your whole body to the right as you contact the ball. I find the spin gets really vicious and kicks way out to the doubles alley if you time this well.

Macedo 10-16-2013 02:07 PM

Jump! And you will have a tremendous kick serve

Tonyr1967 10-24-2013 10:52 PM

OP - Think you are looking for something like this...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ds6CZ4qCXD4

tennistomcat 10-26-2013 10:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Exzite1 (Post 7800778)
Hey guys,
Was interested in some feedback on my second serve.
Been working hard on it lately and wondering what I can do to reach the next level.

Cheers

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=7Dcx4f5f4_o

Great looking motion & serve to me. Good blend of pace & spin - spin to keep it in but enough pace to keep someone from pouncing on it.

If you can place that serve in the corner consistently, that's a tough 2nd serve to handle as long as you're mixing it up. The short, wide kicker is a good one to throw in from time to time. I second psv255's previous post to get more of that wide kicker.
To me your leg drive & jump looks good - sometimes when I consciously try to jump higher on the serve, it screws up my timing & my toss gets erratic. What's your grip on the serve? I find for me, continental gives a good amount of spin for kickers when hit right if you can control placement of the serve with this grip. Sometimes I find myself having to toss more into the court to keep the serves from going long when trying to hit the kicker though.

Chas Tennis 10-26-2013 11:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Exzite1 (Post 7800778)
Hey guys,
Was interested in some feedback on my second serve.
Been working hard on it lately and wondering what I can do to reach the next level.

Cheers

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=7Dcx4f5f4_o

Looks like a nice service motion but the video can be improved easily.

Mostly:
1) Camera closer so that more of the frame is used.
2) Camera behind and higher looking along the ball's trajectory to catch some critical angles.
3) Video in direct sunlight so that the camera's automatic exposure control will select a faster shutter and reduce motion blur.
4) Realize that if you video with a camera that has too slow a frame rate you can get a lot of very useful information on the slower parts of the serve as most comments indicate. However, with low frame rates (30 fps) you cannot see the faster parts of the serve leading to impact and might mislead yourself about what you are doing in your service motion.

Search this forum selecting "show posts": Chas Tennis video serve behind
to find more details on how to improve the video with your camera or to see the serve in all detail using a high speed video camera.

For example, this reply & similar ones with information on how to use video and some important service checkpoints to look for.
http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showt...o+serve+behind


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