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AR15 10-15-2013 06:06 AM

Who says women are more dramatic than men when it comes to tennis?
 
I am a male and have captained many men's and mixed teams over the years. I have heard talk from my fellow men, from time to time, about how much drama there is in womens leagues. I've finally decided that there is just as much in the mens leagues, it's just not as openly evident.

Last night, I had to change my lineup an hour before the match because a player called and said he was sick. So, I shuffled things around attempting to find that winning formula AND attempting to please the most players on my team. My court 2 players showed up about 15 minutes before the match while I was on the phone trying to track down another player who I was not sure was coming due to his lack of replying to communications about the scheduled match. I didn't have time to talk to my team before the match and explain lineup changes, but as captain I've told them in the past, several times, that I reserve the right to make such changes. My court 2 team was soundly defeated.

Later last night I get an email notification that one of my court 2 players had changed his scheduled availability for the upcoming matches. So, I logged into the schedule to find that he has made himself unavailable to play the remainder of the season. I sent him an email and asked if his schedule change had anything to do with his match last night. He sent me a very lengthy email complaining about how he thought he was playing with one guy and how I "blindsided" him by putting him with someone else.

Now, if he had just asked me, face to face, why the schedule change, I would have explained and we wouldn't have had this drama.

I'm captaining the "b" team at my club and half the team is borderline a/b team and the other half is "b" team. It's very difficult to please the players, when everyone regardless of their personal skill level, want to play with the "A" players.

newpball 10-15-2013 06:23 AM

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Originally Posted by AR15 (Post 7821919)
I didn't have time to talk to my team before the match and explain lineup changes, but as captain I've told them in the past, several times, that I reserve the right to make such changes.

Sorry but I think the problem was you not communicating effectively with the team.

Also I think the "reserve the right" phrase, while factually true, is not speaking much for your handling skills in this situation.

AR15 10-15-2013 06:48 AM

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Originally Posted by newpball (Post 7821943)
Sorry but I think the problem was you not communicating effectively with the team.

Also I think the "reserve the right" phrase, while factually true, is not speaking much for your handling skills in this situation.

I can accept constructive criticism. How would you have communicated "effectively" with the team? Now, keep in mind, you would have been on the phone trying to track down your missing player until it was time to walk to your court and play.

J0EBL0W 10-15-2013 07:12 AM

Wow. My captain could change my spot 1 minute before I play and I'm sure I wouldn't react this way.

AR15 10-15-2013 07:18 AM

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Originally Posted by J0EBL0W (Post 7822024)
Wow. My captain could change my spot 1 minute before I play and I'm sure I wouldn't react this way.

I wouldn't either. And, I've had captains change my playing partners at the last minute many times. BUT, I have captained teams so I know what it's like to be captain.

tennis tom 10-15-2013 07:57 AM

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Originally Posted by AR15 (Post 7821919)

...Last night, I had to change my lineup an hour before the match because a player called and said he was sick.

...So, I shuffled things around attempting to find that winning formula AND attempting to please the most players on my team. My court 2 players showed up about 15 minutes before the match while I was on the phone trying to track down another player who I was not sure was coming due to his lack of replying to communications about the scheduled match.

...I didn't have time to talk to my team before the match and explain lineup changes, but as captain I've told them in the past, several times, that I reserve the right to make such changes. My court 2 team was soundly defeated.



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Originally Posted by newpball (Post 7821943)
Sorry but I think the problem was you not communicating effectively with the team.

Also I think the "reserve the right" phrase, while factually true, is not speaking much for your handling skills in this situation.

Let no well thought-out thread go un-punished. It's a tennis court, NOT a court of law. The OP is not getting paid $240 per hour--maybe a case of balls, if he's lucky, when the season ends if he takes them to play-offs. I appreciate that a captain can spend many hours administering and wet-nursing to these premier athletes, as well they deserve to be. It's a thankless job, not one I would want to have. OP was busy just trying to field a team, not much time to balance out the potential synergies of the various playing styles of the troops.

J_R_B 10-15-2013 08:15 AM

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Originally Posted by newpball (Post 7821943)
Sorry but I think the problem was you not communicating effectively with the team.

Also I think the "reserve the right" phrase, while factually true, is not speaking much for your handling skills in this situation.

I mostly agree with this, but the guy's reaction by passive-aggressively "quitting" by setting his availability to no for every match without even having a direct conversation was no better.

If this was my team, the minute your guy called out sick, I would have sent a message to everyone in the lineup who could possibly be affected just saying, "hey, Jim is sick, I'm looking for a replacement, the lineup might have to change", so that everyone understands the situation right away and no one is blindsided when they get to the club.

newpball 10-15-2013 08:28 AM

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Originally Posted by J_R_B (Post 7822154)
If this was my team, the minute your guy called out sick, I would have sent a message to everyone in the lineup who could possibly be affected just saying, "hey, Jim is sick, I'm looking for a replacement, the lineup might have to change", so that everyone understands the situation right away and no one is blindsided when they get to the club.

Yes that is a good strategy.

Hanging on the phone? :?

What year are we living in folks? 1970?
Anybody ever heard of email and messages, let alone Skype and WeChat?

AR15 10-15-2013 08:31 AM

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Originally Posted by J_R_B (Post 7822154)
I mostly agree with this, but the guy's reaction by passive-aggressively "quitting" by setting his availability to no for every match without even having a direct conversation was no better.

If this was my team, the minute your guy called out sick, I would have sent a message to everyone in the lineup who could possibly be affected just saying, "hey, Jim is sick, I'm looking for a replacement, the lineup might have to change", so that everyone understands the situation right away and no one is blindsided when they get to the club.


Good idea when you have more than the hour I had before match play. We play our matches at 6pm. I found out about the sick player at 5 pm. I don't expect most players to check their email between 5 and 6pm. Most players are leaving work and driving to the match at that time.

J_R_B 10-15-2013 08:42 AM

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Originally Posted by AR15 (Post 7822184)
Good idea when you have more than the hour I had before match play. We play our matches at 6pm. I found out about the sick player at 5 pm. I don't expect most players to check their email between 5 and 6pm. Most players are leaving work and driving to the match at that time.

Almost all of my communication with my team is via text message. Almost everyone if not everyone would have gotten the message within minutes.

newpball 10-15-2013 08:44 AM

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Originally Posted by AR15 (Post 7822184)
Good idea when you have more than the hour I had before match play. We play our matches at 6pm. I found out about the sick player at 5 pm. I don't expect most players to check their email between 5 and 6pm. Most players are leaving work and driving to the match at that time.

Sorry AR15 but now you show stubbornness. :)

So you do not think it is a good idea to text message and email instantly the moment you found out because maybe people do not read their mail or check their phones? :shock:

Come on now, anyone could tell you that is a good idea. Even if they read the information later they surely will appreciate the effort.

AR15 10-15-2013 08:48 AM

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Originally Posted by J_R_B (Post 7822205)
Almost all of my communication with my team is via text message. Almost everyone if not everyone would have gotten the message within minutes.

LOL, I have one player who is almost 70, shares an email address with his wife and has no texting on his flip phone. He says to send him smoke signals.

I have another player in his 60's who doesn't even have a cell phone.

The other players average age is probably 54, and most have and use texting, but it's far from a reliable means of getting a message out to them.

J_R_B 10-15-2013 08:54 AM

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Originally Posted by AR15 (Post 7822222)
LOL, I have one player who is almost 70, shares an email address with his wife and has no texting on his flip phone. He says to send him smoke signals.

I have another player in his 60's who doesn't even have a cell phone.

The other players average age is probably 54, and most have and use texting, but it's far from a reliable means of getting a message out to them.

One of the guys on my team is over 70. He doesn't text, but he's responded to all of my emails within 20 minutes, so I guess he mostly sits at home on the computer. He's glad to play every match he plays and willing to do whatever, so he wouldn't care if he showed up and was paired with someone else.

tennis tom 10-15-2013 09:03 AM

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Originally Posted by AR15 (Post 7822222)
He says to send him smoke signals.

I have another player in his 60's who doesn't even have a cell phone.

Smoke signals would be more reliable then the cell service where I live. Bring back the good ol' party lines on solid copper wire. When the Loma Prieta earthquake hit, land-line phones were the only utility that remained functioning--no gas, no electricity, no cells--only land-lines. That's why I still keep up my service in case of an emergency. And the sound reproduction is infinitely better on a land-line, can't be beaten for phone sex.

Brian11785 10-15-2013 09:09 AM

You people are a bunch of nitpicking vultures.

If you get so upset by a switched line up (that has you with a different partner....I could see it being an issue if it were a switched line up that kept you from playing) that you openly complain about it (much worse, are willing to take the pout to another level by making yourself unavailable for the rest of the season), I say good riddance.

This guy's reaction (and some of the responders' implicit OK of it by criticizing the OP) show why captaining a USTA team can be a thankless job.

newpball 10-15-2013 09:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Brian11785 (Post 7822266)
You people are a bunch of nitpicking vultures.

If you get so upset by a switched line up (that has you with a different partner....I could see it being an issue if it were a switched line up that kept you from playing) that you openly complain about it (much worse, are willing to take the pout to another level by making yourself unavailable for the rest of the season), I say good riddance.

This guy's reaction (and some of the responders' implicit OK of it by criticizing the OP) show why captaining a USTA team can be a thankless job.

I completely disagree, I think the poster is wrong at two levels:

1. He did not immediately inform the members of the situation.
2. He does not acknowledge he should have informed them immediately and instead comes with a lame excuse that they were too old or too busy to see his message had he done so.

Brian11785 10-15-2013 09:47 AM

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Originally Posted by newpball (Post 7822300)
I completely disagree, I think the poster is wrong at two levels:

1. He did not immediately inform the members of the situation.
2. He does not acknowledge he should have informed them immediately and instead comes with a lame excuse that they were too old or too busy to see his message had he done so.

I would argue that calling the guy to tell him he's playing with another partner is unimportant. The no-show is not coming, so the schedule has to be rearranged. Would calling this guy 30 minutes before the match to tell him he's not getting to play with the person he was expecting to play with make him much happier? I doubt it. It looks like he was madder about whom he was stuck with, not that he didn't get the call informing him of this news an hour earlier.

What would have changed had he gotten that news an hour earlier? Brought a different racquet? Not shown up? What?!

newpball 10-15-2013 09:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Brian11785 (Post 7822352)
I would argue that calling the guy to tell him he's playing with another partner is unimportant.

Sorry but in my opinion that is being arrogant.

I think you are not the one who decides what is important for a player whether you are a captain or not.

Bdarb 10-15-2013 09:54 AM

I think this falls into a "what can you do" situation. If your team isn't able to receive texts I don't think that there is a more reliable form of communication. As someone said, who is sitting there trying to call people anymore?? Its like the least effective way to communicate what with service interruption, or people turning off their phone etc.

It was definitely nice of that guy to give you a whole hour to find a replacement though.. :confused:

That being said, if the guy can't handle a line up switch without being a little baby about it, you're better off.

Brian11785 10-15-2013 10:00 AM

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Originally Posted by newpball (Post 7822368)
Sorry but in my opinion that is being arrogant.

I think you are not the one who decides what is important for a player whether you are a captain or not.

This is nonsense.

We are talking about the obligations of the captain, not the player here. The captain IS the one who decides the import of whether or not to call people at the last minute to let them know of something they will find out in 30 minutes anyway.

Your stance is the arrogant one, being an armchair captain.


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