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Sunbeam 12-12-2013 09:46 AM

D-1 Coaches Ranked by Past Players' Pro Results
 
Curious on this one. I know that many have a databank of personal information (or are really good at online research) with which to give their opinion and/or prove their opinion.

What college coach, lets say, over the past 10 years, has developed and let loose into the wilds of professional tennis, the most, the highest achieving and the highest ATP ranked (former) college players?

goran_ace 12-12-2013 10:17 AM

Manny Diaz, Georgia. Reason: John Isner. Can you think of any other college players in the last ten years who have broken through?

goran_ace 12-12-2013 10:27 AM

Off the top of my head you have guys like Somdev Devarrman, Rob Kendrick, Bradley Klahn who have cracked the top 100 at one point, then the doubles specialists like Rajeev Ram and Eric Butorac, but they haven't had near the same success as Isner.

J_R_B 12-12-2013 10:30 AM

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Originally Posted by goran_ace (Post 7948223)
Manny Diaz, Georgia. Reason: John Isner. Can you think of any other college players in the last ten years who have broken through?

What do you consider "breakthrough"? Kevin Anderson is in the top 20.

goran_ace 12-12-2013 10:34 AM

Yeah top 20 is pretty significant of a break through. He completely slipped my mind. Thanks for catching that.

Guess my question to the OP is if he is more interested in the coach with the highest achieving pro players or the most # of players who are playing futures and challengers.

Sunbeam 12-12-2013 11:51 AM

If I had the ATP/Futures ranking list and highlighted the players who played in the NCAA. Then, if I then put their former College coach's name next to each highlighted player, what would become apparent, if anything.... ?

J_R_B 12-12-2013 12:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Sunbeam (Post 7948378)
If I had the ATP/Futures ranking list and highlighted the players who played in the NCAA. Then, if I then put their former College coach's name next to each highlighted player, what would become apparent, if anything.... ?

I'm guessing only that there aren't really all that many NCAA players in the top 400 or so.

Kirijax 12-12-2013 02:23 PM

I've always wondered about this. Do college tennis coaches raise their players with the goal of helping them to succeed on the pro tour? If they are, then it's been a massive failure. Looking at the results, it doesn't seem that way. Success in the college season is first and foremost and pro success is an added bonus. Seems that way anyway.

J_R_B 12-12-2013 05:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Kirijax (Post 7948576)
I've always wondered about this. Do college tennis coaches raise their players with the goal of helping them to succeed on the pro tour? If they are, then it's been a massive failure. Looking at the results, it doesn't seem that way. Success in the college season is first and foremost and pro success is an added bonus. Seems that way anyway.

I'd say that's true, although it's mostly because almost all of the serious pro prospects go straight to the tour and do not play college tennis. If tennis were more like football or basketball where college is the primary path to the pros, then college coaches would concentrate on preparing college players for the pros.

ClarkC 12-12-2013 08:06 PM

Here is a good rankings list of former collegians.

floridatennisdude 12-13-2013 02:41 AM

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Originally Posted by ClarkC (Post 7948917)

Virginia, Illinois, and Tennessee stand out to me on that list

floridatennisdude 12-13-2013 02:45 AM

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Originally Posted by J_R_B (Post 7948803)
I'd say that's true, although it's mostly because almost all of the serious pro prospects go straight to the tour and do not play college tennis. If tennis were more like football or basketball where college is the primary path to the pros, then college coaches would concentrate on preparing college players for the pros.

If tennis were more like football and basketball, it wouldn't be as much of an international sport as an American sport.

About 90-95% of pro players do not play ncaa tennis, which makes a lot of sense since the NCAA is in America. Soccer has larger percentages.

jaggy 12-13-2013 04:27 AM

Recruiting would take a boost if you have a player be successful at the next level but I think more coaches are interested in their teams success.

Sunbeam 12-13-2013 05:41 AM

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Here is a good rankings list of former collegians.
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Virginia, Illinois, and Tennessee stand out to me on that list
Great list. Thanks for finding that.

The list would be complete if it had another column that named the college coach each player benefitted from -- I figure some of the listed players are the products of former coaches from the programs (Illinois is an example that I know of).

Vicious Vik 01-17-2014 11:10 PM

Diaz? Isner is the exception. Other than him his players have been collossal failures at the ATP level. And Isner is becoming more and more of a joke each month.

dominikk1985 01-17-2014 11:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Vicious Vik (Post 8028027)
Diaz? Isner is the exception. Other than him his players have been collossal failures at the ATP level. And Isner is becoming more and more of a joke each month.

how is isner becoming a joke? he had a lot of injury problems over the last year or so.

isner has his limitations but he still is probably one of the best NCAA players ever (at the pro level). he has one of the best serves in history and wins over federer and nadal.

I would say he exceeded all expectations.

goran_ace 01-18-2014 04:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Vicious Vik (Post 8028027)
Other than him his players have been collossal failures at the ATP level.

As opposed to all those other former collegiate players who are tearing it up on the ATP? There are only 7 players in the year-end top 100 rankings who played college tennis, and other than Isner and Anderson just about all the others still have to play qualies to get into the main draw of a GS.

floridatennisdude 01-26-2014 04:11 AM

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Originally Posted by goran_ace (Post 8028855)
As opposed to all those other former collegiate players who are tearing it up on the ATP? There are only 7 players in the year-end top 100 rankings who played college tennis, and other than Isner and Anderson just about all the others still have to play qualies to get into the main draw of a GS.

Say what?

Top 100 basically assures you a main draw entry to a major's 128 man draw. That is the overall goal of Challenger level players: break into the top 100, hope for a favorable draw in a major, and get enough ATP points to start to get shots in the 250 & 500 draws or quallies.


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