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sureshs 12-15-2013 11:04 AM

Tell me about this swing
 
Read

http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showt...=1#post7952612

and watch

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p3-wVLlmLCQ

Notice how the left hand does not fully follow the right on the forehand but dangles a little. A junior at my club hits this way too.

Is it a valid style?

Would the experts here consider it an ATP or WTA style forehand?

WildVolley 12-15-2013 11:23 AM

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Originally Posted by sureshs (Post 7952618)
Notice how the left hand does not fully follow the right on the forehand but dangles a little. A junior at my club hits this way too.

Is it a valid style?

Would the experts here consider it an ATP or WTA style forehand?

He doesn't have the behind the body takeback of the WTA-style, but he's not doing a standard ATP-style either.

His forehand looks different because he doesn't do a unit turn with the off hand on the throat of the racket. He pretty much has a straight takeback without much in the way of ptd. Odd looking, but fairly effective I'd guess. I doubt any pros are going to start teaching this style any time soon.

DefensiveTennis 12-15-2013 11:24 AM

Its not ideal but the kid just won the Orange Bowl so he is doing something right.

Apparently his movement is amazing, looks like a very athletic strong young kid. Does he have the technique on all his strokes to allow him to compete at the next level in 4 or 5 years? Time will tell.

sureshs 12-15-2013 11:30 AM

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Originally Posted by DefensiveTennis (Post 7952673)
Its not ideal but the kid just won the Orange Bowl so he is doing something right.

That "something" may not include this stroke, so I am curious.

sureshs 12-15-2013 11:33 AM

I am wondering if this style actually removes encumbrance from the left hand and results in a more free-swinging stroke?

WildVolley 12-15-2013 11:41 AM

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Originally Posted by sureshs (Post 7952692)
I am wondering if this style actually removes encumbrance from the left hand and results in a more free-swinging stroke?

What encumbrance are we talking about?

The guy's stroke looks like a combination of McEnroe and DelPotro's, or something like that.

Ash_Smith 12-15-2013 11:44 AM

Saw Tiafoe at Les Petit As last year and spoke with his coach about his forehand. They are not concerned about it at all and he seems to time the ball beautifully, so I am with them. The important elements of the swing are all there.

sureshs 12-15-2013 11:46 AM

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Originally Posted by WildVolley (Post 7952708)
What encumbrance are we talking about?

The guy's stroke looks like a combination of McEnroe and DelPotro's, or something like that.

I was trying to ask if the usual unit turn with left hand on throat as long as possible has some problem which this guy has overcome by using a different style?

sureshs 12-15-2013 11:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ash_Smith (Post 7952716)
Saw Tiafoe at Les Petit As last year and spoke with his coach about his forehand. They are not concerned about it at all and he seems to time the ball beautifully, so I am with them. The important elements of the swing are all there.

Is it technically right or wrong as per the thinking today?

DefensiveTennis 12-15-2013 11:47 AM

Apparently it is a more normal preparation now.

Ash_Smith 12-15-2013 11:48 AM

If it is safe and effective then it is technically correct. Safe in the sense that biomechanically it won't lead to injury and effective in he sense that it allows maximum output with as little input as possible.

sureshs 12-15-2013 11:49 AM

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Originally Posted by DefensiveTennis (Post 7952726)
Apparently it is a more normal preparation now.

What does that mean? That this style is becoming more common now?

sureshs 12-15-2013 11:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ash_Smith (Post 7952731)
If it is safe and effective then it is technically correct. Safe in the sense that biomechanically it won't lead to injury and effective in he sense that it allows maximum output with as little input as possible.

Then what is the downside? That if the input is increased, the output won't be as good as the more conventional style?

Can this style work with closed or neutral stances?

DefensiveTennis 12-15-2013 11:54 AM

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Originally Posted by sureshs (Post 7952733)
What does that mean? That this style is becoming more common now?

Sorry, I meant that apparently it was more unique when the video you posted was taken. It doesnt look so weird now or so I have heard. They changed his forehand a little since your video was taken.

sureshs 12-15-2013 11:57 AM

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Originally Posted by DefensiveTennis (Post 7952745)
Sorry, I meant that apparently it was more unique when the video you posted was taken. It doesnt look so weird now or so I have heard. They changed his forehand a little since your video was taken.

This is him in October:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IGihAVSAMz4

Seems to still have that forehand .......

Ash_Smith 12-15-2013 12:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sureshs (Post 7952737)
Then what is the downside? That if the input is increased, the output won't be as good as the more conventional style?

Can this style work with closed or neutral stances?

Yes, that style could work with neutral or closed stances, it isn't all that different from the "conventional". There isn't necessarily a downside, if it works for him and continues to be effective as he develops through the ranks, and I see no real reason why it wouldn't. The only thing he might struggle with as he players stronger players is stabilising the racquet on the run as he moves wide with only the one hand on the racquet, but even this shouldn't be an issue really.

DefensiveTennis 12-15-2013 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by sureshs (Post 7952749)
This is him in October:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IGihAVSAMz4

Seems to still have that forehand .......

Was just to post that. I disagree, he uses more of the left arm. Sure still not as much as other players but more than previously.

Look at these two videos Frances and Murray and forehands look very similar.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IGihAVSAMz4#t=127

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gfmd6D6At0Y#t=3

DefensiveTennis 12-15-2013 12:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ash_Smith (Post 7952763)
Yes, that style could work with neutral or closed stances, it isn't all that different from the "conventional". There isn't necessarily a downside, if it works for him and continues to be effective as he develops through the ranks, and I see no real reason why it wouldn't. The only thing he might struggle with as he players stronger players is stabilising the racquet on the run as he moves wide with only the one hand on the racquet, but even this shouldn't be an issue really.

Or that preparing with the racquet arm extended and not supported with the other arm is more tiring than having another hand on the throat to support the racquet.

arche3 12-15-2013 12:23 PM

If he keeps winning as he gets into the pros (if he goes pro) then that will be the test. Right now it works obviously.

WildVolley 12-15-2013 12:33 PM

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Originally Posted by sureshs (Post 7952749)
This is him in October:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IGihAVSAMz4

Seems to still have that forehand .......

The forehand looks different, though he hardly hits any in the new video. He definitely has more of a unit turn and more of a PTD in the new video.

Also, I don't think much of his serve in this video, but obviously he can play.


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