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Maximagq 12-15-2013 04:08 PM

Serve advice
 
I changed my motion a bit and I need help getting a little more pop on my serve. My arm looks really stiff in the video and my momentum doesn't really go into the court.

http://youtu.be/sM8Jv-l4Vak
http://youtu.be/uNkViB2zMgs

5263 12-15-2013 04:18 PM

have to toss into the court a bit to get that momentum you seek.

You really look pretty good there overall.

DefensiveTennis 12-15-2013 04:42 PM

Tell me I am right here? You try and imitate Djokovic before you serve, you wave you hand around a little like what he does or I am just imagining this?

Maximagq 12-15-2013 04:43 PM

You're right. Djokovic is my favorite player :)

DefensiveTennis 12-15-2013 04:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Maximagq (Post 7953135)
You're right. Djokovic is my favorite player :)

Nice, Im gonna give myself a pat on the back for noticing that then! He always seems to wave his racquet around a little, I guess to keep his grip loose.

Maximagq 12-15-2013 04:57 PM

I think karlovic does the same

Topspin Shot 12-15-2013 05:34 PM

Nice serves. I think your racket drop is coming too much up the middle of your back rather than staying entirely on the right side of your body. It's kind of hard to tell without slow motion. (I'm so jealous of your warm weather location right now. :() P.S. Defensive Tennis, his avatar is a pic of Djokovic. :)

Nostradamus 12-15-2013 06:15 PM

Motion is not perfectly economical. some wasted energy in there. Keep that shoulder closed fraction of second longer. Motion is also bit rushed. More knee bend could give you bit extra pop. Toss has to be little more in front of you.
Entire chain of energy starts with your right leg then transfers up to your arms and hands then your racket like a Whip. Think of Indiana Jones with whip action and how enormous amount of energy is transferred into the tip of the whip.

Watch this UCLA player Marcos, I am sure you have. See how his small frame of body can generate some tremendous pop on his Serve. I know his motion is bit different than yours but concept is same. Energy coils into his legs with his knee bend then it explodes upward into his arm and his racket like perfect transfer of kinetic energy.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TgUQ9IQc4aE

ednegroni 12-15-2013 06:57 PM

My suggestion to you: Slow it down and work your way up while trying to twist as most you can.


Almost all the speed will come from the rotations involved in the serving motion.

Simply put: The more you can twist your body while pushing off as fast as you can, the faster you will uncoil and the more speed you're able to get. In addition, the better coordinated, the less strength you would lose while transferring energy from feet to racquet.

Nostradamus 12-15-2013 08:23 PM

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Originally Posted by ednegroni (Post 7953296)
My suggestion to you: Slow it down and work your way up while trying to twist as most you can.


Almost all the speed will come from the rotations involved in the serving motion.

Simply put: The more you can twist your body while pushing off as fast as you can, the faster you will uncoil and the more speed you're able to get. In addition, the better coordinated, the less strength you would lose while transferring energy from feet to racquet.

Is that You, Party rock ? How was Aza doing ?

Maximagq 12-15-2013 10:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nostradamus (Post 7953240)
Motion is not perfectly economical. some wasted energy in there. Keep that shoulder closed fraction of second longer. Motion is also bit rushed. More knee bend could give you bit extra pop. Toss has to be little more in front of you.
Entire chain of energy starts with your right leg then transfers up to your arms and hands then your racket like a Whip. Think of Indiana Jones with whip action and how enormous amount of energy is transferred into the tip of the whip.

Watch this UCLA player Marcos, I am sure you have. See how his small frame of body can generate some tremendous pop on his Serve. I know his motion is bit different than yours but concept is same. Energy coils into his legs with his knee bend then it explodes upward into his arm and his racket like perfect transfer of kinetic energy.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TgUQ9IQc4aE

I like Marcos' motion, very efficient use of the legs and kinetic chain. I'll keep that in mind :)

Sparta-cus 12-15-2013 10:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Maximagq (Post 7953098)
I changed my motion a bit and I need help getting a little more pop on my serve. My arm looks really stiff in the video and my momentum doesn't really go into the court.

http://youtu.be/sM8Jv-l4Vak
http://youtu.be/uNkViB2zMgs

Your motion is not looking smooth.

Serve motion in video at
0:04 good.
0:05 not good.

1. Your right arm should be loose and point the tip of the racket facing
ground.
2. Tossing arm straight when ball reaches top.

Lot of flaws you should re-learn it. Look at the picture below.


Maximagq 12-15-2013 10:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sparta-cus (Post 7953449)
Your motion is not looking smooth.

Serve motion in video at
0:04 good.
0:05 not good.

1. Your right arm should be loose and point the tip of the racket facing
ground.
2. Tossing arm straight when ball reaches top.

Lot of flaws you should re-learn it. Look at the picture below.


What do you mean by 0:04 and 0:05? 0:04 in the first video and 0:05 in the 2nd video?
Edit: never mind, you're referring to the first one I believe?

Sparta-cus 12-15-2013 11:03 PM

Yes the first video at 0:05 watch your right hand and compare to the picture.

RetroSpin 12-16-2013 07:01 AM

What grip are you using? It looks more eastern FH than conti but a bit hard to tell from the angle. Your elbow appears quite low at trophy but again, the angle makes it a bit hard to tell. You also appear to be making contact a bit far out to the right. That will create more slice spin.

All in all a very decent serve though.

Maximagq 12-16-2013 07:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RetroSpin (Post 7953935)
What grip are you using? It looks more eastern FH than conti but a bit hard to tell from the angle. Your elbow appears quite low at trophy but again, the angle makes it a bit hard to tell. You also appear to be making contact a bit far out to the right. That will create more slice spin.

All in all a very decent serve though.

I use a continental on first serves and a little bit more towards the eastern backhand on second serves but I do make contact too far out to the right. That's why I can't really flatten it out very well. Thanks for the input :)

GoaLaSSo 12-16-2013 07:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sparta-cus (Post 7953449)


It is hard to tell from the angle in the videos, but it seems you aren't making it into the court.

With a platform stance weight transfer and the archer's bow are even more important than in pinpoint.

You have to start with your weight on the back foot, then as you toss the ball you begin leaning into the court with your back turned. See how Djoko's legs begin to bend sideways a bit after his ball toss. You also need to create a stretch with you tossing arm and left hip as you are doing this. The final component is you need to toss the ball much further into the court. You should really be reaching for it up high and out in front.

This raonic video shows it perfectly done. It is one of the reasons he get so much power. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zkgZOvm7ySA

Maximagq 12-16-2013 07:10 AM

Alright, quick recap from all the comments.
1. More shoulder turn and relaxed motion
2. Straighter left arm toss
3. Racket drop to the right of the body instead of behind my back.
4.Higher right elbow at trophy position
5. Contact and toss further out in front to get momentum into court.

Maximagq 12-16-2013 07:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GoaLaSSo (Post 7953954)
It is hard to tell from the angle in the videos, but it seems you aren't making it into the court.

With a platform stance weight transfer and the archer's bow are even more important than in pinpoint.

You have to start with your weight on the back foot, then as you toss the ball you begin leaning into the court with your back turned. See how Djoko's legs begin to bend sideways a bit after his ball toss. You also need to create a stretch with you tossing arm and left hip as you are doing this. The final component is you need to toss the ball much further into the court. You should really be reaching for it up high and out in front.

This raonic video shows it perfectly done. It is one of the reasons he get so much power. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zkgZOvm7ySA

Ah I can notice it, Raonic after he launches himself into the court lands at least 2-3 feet inside. I'm not moving in at all :( I'll take note of that!

GoaLaSSo 12-16-2013 07:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Maximagq (Post 7953968)
Ah I can notice it, Raonic after he launches himself into the court lands at least 2-3 feet inside. I'm not moving in at all :( I'll take note of that!

Also see in the 5th djoko picture how he gets in the legs fully bent and and reaches an almost sitting position? Raonic reaches this same position just before he launches up toward the ball.

The easiest way to do this whole process is to focus on reaching that position after you start transferring your weight forward. You kind of push down and out with your left hip and feel a bit of a stretch in the butt area.


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