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McEnroeisanartist 01-06-2014 07:06 AM

If Nadal has more total slams but Federer has more of each, who is GOAT?
 
If Federer stays on 17 Grand Slams and Nadal ends up with 18 Grand Slams say 2 Australian Opens, 10 French Opens, 3 Wimbledons, and 3 U.S. Opens and 0 ATP Tour Finals (this doesn't sound that far fetched), would Nadal be considered GOAT when Federer would have 2 more Australian Opens, 9 less French Opens, 4 more Wimbledons, 2 more U.S. Opens, and 6 more ATP Tour Finals.

sam_p 01-06-2014 07:09 AM

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Originally Posted by McEnroeisanartist (Post 7994895)
If Federer stays on 17 Grand Slams and Nadal ends up with 18 Grand Slams say 2 Australian Opens, 10 French Opens, 3 Wimbledons, and 3 U.S. Opens and 0 ATP Tour Finals (this doesn't sound that far fetched), would Nadal be considered GOAT when Federer would have 2 more Australian Opens, 9 less French Opens, 4 more Wimbledons, 2 more U.S. Opens, and 6 more ATP Tour Finals.

Yes. Next thread please.

LazyNinja19 01-06-2014 07:12 AM

Last month this OP created a thread stating that "Fed has won a title in every month of the year, Rafa hasn't".
And in the very first week of Jan, Rafa won a title(for the first time in January) and disproved the OP's claim!

Keep 'em coming! :lol:

m2nk2 01-06-2014 07:16 AM

Yes.

But anyway, Borg is still the goat. Borg won 40% of all slams he entered. Federer and Nadal are way below that, even though their era is easier.

Omega_7000 01-06-2014 07:18 AM

Neither .

GoaLaSSo 01-06-2014 07:20 AM

If Nadal got that many more slams I would assume he would also be extending all of his other records as well. He would probably end up with a crazy number of masters, at least 1 WTF, additional weeks at number 1 and/or year end number 1s, and possibly hit double or triple career grand slams.

If the above was the case he would for sure be greater than Federer. If by some freak occurrence Nadal didn't win any more masters and didn't get any more time at number 1, but ended up with 18 slams, it would be pretty hard to differentiate between the two. Nadal would surely be the stronger player of the rivalry, but would he be better against the field?

There is a crowd of people that believe slams are all that matter, a group of people that think slams and time at number one are really important, and a group of people that think olympic golds and davis cups are almost as good as slams (wut...).

I would probably say that Nadal would be the greater player with 18 slams, but he would not be the GOAT. His performance would ensure the GOAT debate rages on until someone clearly passes Federer and himself in multiple areas.

I only hope both end up with the same amount of slams and similar looking records so TTW can forever remain a keyboard warrior battleground of Nadturds and Fednatics. :twisted:

kingofclay 01-06-2014 07:21 AM

18>17 No?

Rafa already goat

Backspin1183 01-06-2014 07:29 AM

Do you really think that Rafa will win 18 slams?

If he does and Fed stays at 17, I don't know about GOAT but Nadal would be considered greater than Federer by over 90% of people.

El Diablo 01-06-2014 07:48 AM

Hmmm, more slams for Nadal but more equally distributed for Federer? I guess we'd then have to look at the two players head to head.

TheNatural 01-06-2014 07:50 AM

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Originally Posted by McEnroeisanartist (Post 7994895)
If Federer stays on 17 Grand Slams and Nadal ends up with 18 Grand Slams say 2 Australian Opens, 10 French Opens, 3 Wimbledons, and 3 U.S. Opens and 0 ATP Tour Finals (this doesn't sound that far fetched), would Nadal be considered GOAT when Federer would have 2 more Australian Opens, 9 less French Opens, 4 more Wimbledons, 2 more U.S. Opens, and 6 more ATP Tour Finals.

Rafa already has a strong case for goat.By the time Rafa is done, Fed will just be known as the best wtf player of his era.

Backspin1183 01-06-2014 07:52 AM

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Originally Posted by LazyNinja19 (Post 7994907)
Last month this OP created a thread stating that "Fed has won a title in every month of the year, Rafa hasn't".
And in the very first week of Jan, Rafa won a title(for the first time in January) and disproved the OP's claim!

Keep 'em coming! :lol:

That's sad. OP loved talking about Nadal's title less months :(

tennisaddict 01-06-2014 08:07 AM

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Originally Posted by McEnroeisanartist (Post 7994895)
If Federer stays on 17 Grand Slams and Nadal ends up with 18 Grand Slams say 2 Australian Opens, 10 French Opens, 3 Wimbledons, and 3 U.S. Opens and 0 ATP Tour Finals (this doesn't sound that far fetched), would Nadal be considered GOAT when Federer would have 2 more Australian Opens, 9 less French Opens, 4 more Wimbledons, 2 more U.S. Opens, and 6 more ATP Tour Finals.

If Rafa gets 2 Australian Opens, 10 French Opens, 3 Wimbledons, and 3 U.S. Opens , then we can ignore the WTF.

Nadal will be the GOAT of tennis records.

Federer will still be the greatest player in terms of talent, style, elegance, variety and domination.

Forehand Of Doom 01-06-2014 08:17 AM

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Originally Posted by tennisaddict (Post 7995059)
If Rafa gets 2 Australian Opens, 10 French Opens, 3 Wimbledons, and 3 U.S. Opens , then we can ignore the WTF.

Nadal will be the GOAT of tennis records.

Federer will still be the greatest player in terms of talent, style, elegance, variety and domination.


tennisaddict 01-06-2014 08:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Forehand Of Doom (Post 7995074)

Oh, you think moon balls , grunting and guarding the baseline from 10 ft behind makes it pretty ?

TMF 01-06-2014 08:39 AM

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Originally Posted by El Diablo (Post 7994993)
Hmmm, more slams for Nadal but more equally distributed for Federer? I guess we'd then have to look at the two players head to head.

Disagree. The next criteria is to compare the ranking status and all ATP performance/results.

Forehand Of Doom 01-06-2014 08:45 AM

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Originally Posted by tennisaddict (Post 7995089)
Oh, you think moon balls , grunting and guarding the baseline from 10 ft behind makes it pretty ?

I was laughing at the domination part mostly. :lol:

phnx90 01-06-2014 08:52 AM

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Originally Posted by McEnroeisanartist (Post 7994895)
If Federer stays on 17 Grand Slams and Nadal ends up with 18 Grand Slams say 2 Australian Opens, 10 French Opens, 3 Wimbledons, and 3 U.S. Opens and 0 ATP Tour Finals (this doesn't sound that far fetched), would Nadal be considered GOAT when Federer would have 2 more Australian Opens, 9 less French Opens, 4 more Wimbledons, 2 more U.S. Opens, and 6 more ATP Tour Finals.

With that split, I would be hesitant to call Nadal the de facto GOAT. Then again, to me, slam count isn't everything in the GOAT discussion.

jg153040 01-06-2014 08:57 AM

This is such a tough scenario. One guy will have most majors, the other guy will have most weeks nr.1.

Nobody can be the goat, if this happens. At least by my opinion. I would consider them equals.

For one guy to be clearly better, he has to have more majors and weeks nr.1. And the gap has to be big. I mean if Rafa ends up with 16 majors and 299 weeks, the gap is too small for me to consider Fed clearly the best.

I need at least 2 majors gap and 50 weeks, to make a clear distinction, otherwise it's too damn close.

I don't know how Rafa can even get to 18, considering he doesn't have streaks like Fed. If he does, we will have one crazy paradox.

One guy with more weeks nr.1 and most records, but the other guy with majors record and the h2h. How can this happen?

They will be close enough, so this arguments will go forever.

Crisstti 01-06-2014 09:02 AM

If Rafa has more slams, then Federer cannot have more slams of each.

In your scenario Rafa would have a double career slam and at least three slams on every surface (and an unprecedented 10 slams in a slam). It's look pretty good to me :)

tennisaddict 01-06-2014 09:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Forehand Of Doom (Post 7995117)
I was laughing at the domination part mostly. :lol:

Please see win-loss record from 2004-2007.


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