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FailBetter 07-04-2014 08:02 AM

Forehand Video Analysis
 
I need some advice too my forehand. :confused:

http://youtu.be/3xhYxpR07iw

..I have not much consistence,
..my racket head seems to be open very often ..
..if i hit with less intensity most balls go high&long

BH is no problem but forehand is just no natural for me..

thanks for every tought/advice

johndagolfer 07-04-2014 08:26 AM

Pretty decent form.

My 2 suggestions:

1) Get rid of that hitch when dropping the racquet head in the loop. It's like you're starting the forward swing, stopping, then starting again. I think this may be why your forehand could be a little inconsistent. Try to smooth out the drop and forward swing into one motion. It will change your timing but I believe it will help with your consistentcy

2) Turn your shoulders maybe a tad more. On quite a few you still seem open chested to your target.

FailBetter 07-04-2014 10:53 AM

ok I know what you mean but how can i change this? ( more smooth)

LeeD 07-04-2014 11:01 AM

Try to relax the grip and the wrist pressure (forearm pressure) so you hold more loosely, allowing the racket to do it's natural C loop on the backswing, and this also ALLOWS for a higher racket head speed.

mightyrick 07-04-2014 11:35 AM

You have a death grip. LOOSEN THE HAND -- EXTREMELY. You are badly arming the ball.

The overall mechanic potential seems good, but the death grip is really killing everything. Your death grip is tight. You wrist is almost totally frozen. You actively pull with a tight bicep and shoulder. You have a tight core. The follow through is tight.

Check out a few forehands from Nadal in this video. Really look at how loose his grip, wrist, arms, and shoulder are:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HPP1R1Gumq4&t=1m

I'm not saying you can reach Nadal's looseness, but check out his follow through. His wrist, arm, shoulders are so loose that his racquet follows through behind his back on the other side of his body. Ultimate looseness.

I think if you loosen it up, a lot will fall into place on your stroke.

syke 07-04-2014 11:54 AM

Look at your stroke difference when you start the rallies with the ball in your hand.

It looks to me you have an abbreviated low to high swing path but without the racquet head speed to bring the ball back down. That's why on your bad shots, they tend to be high and long.

FailBetter 07-05-2014 03:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mightyrick (Post 8533161)
You have a death grip. LOOSEN THE HAND -- EXTREMELY. You are badly arming the ball.

The overall mechanic potential seems good, but the death grip is really killing everything. Your death grip is tight. You wrist is almost totally frozen. You actively pull with a tight bicep and shoulder. You have a tight core. The follow through is tight.

Check out a few forehands from Nadal in this video. Really look at how loose his grip, wrist, arms, and shoulder are:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HPP1R1Gumq4&t=1m

I'm not saying you can reach Nadal's looseness, but check out his follow through. His wrist, arm, shoulders are so loose that his racquet follows through behind his back on the other side of his body. Ultimate looseness.

I think if you loosen it up, a lot will fall into place on your stroke.

Death grip = very tight grip?

so are there any tricks to loosen it up?
the problem is when i relax more all balls fly to long / high

RetroSpin 07-05-2014 11:28 AM

You are trying to hit a modern forehand but you are using a staple of the old school forehand, a fixed wrist. Like LeeD and rick said, you need to relax your grip and wrist and let your wrist lay back as you start the forward swing. You want the butt of the racquet to point at the ball. Once you start doing this, you will be able to generate topspin without the exaggerated low to high swing path you are using. That in itself should improve your consistency.

FailBetter 07-05-2014 12:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RetroSpin (Post 8536610)
You are trying to hit a modern forehand but you are using a staple of the old school forehand, a fixed wrist. Like LeeD and rick said, you need to relax your grip and wrist and let your wrist lay back as you start the forward swing. You want the butt of the racquet to point at the ball. Once you start doing this, you will be able to generate topspin without the exaggerated low to high swing path you are using. That in itself should improve your consistency.

Today i tried to be more relaxed. But when i do this all my balls are going long & high..

I dont get it. When i watch the video i think the butt of the racquet is pointing at the ball isnt it?

FailBetter 07-05-2014 01:09 PM

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FailBetter 07-05-2014 01:13 PM



Topspin Shot 07-05-2014 02:17 PM

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Originally Posted by FailBetter (Post 8536990)


The racket is way too low on the first forehand (unless you let the ball drop so you hit it at waist height). It shouldn't be more than a foot below the intended contact point. The second forehand looks better.

RetroSpin 07-05-2014 02:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FailBetter (Post 8536915)
Today i tried to be more relaxed. But when i do this all my balls are going long & high..

I dont get it. When i watch the video i think the butt of the racquet is pointing at the ball isnt it?

You do seem to have the butt pointed more than I thought.

There is a video on youtube about maintaining the racquet plane. Basically, as you move through impact and across your body, you want the racquet to stay in the same plane. Long and short inconsistency is often a result of inconsistencies in the face angle at impact. Of course, if you go out and try to do that, the problem is you will want to lock your wrist, which creates other problems.

Are you sure you are seeing the ball at impact? For me, this is often the answer when I am hitting the ball poorly.

Topspin Shot 07-05-2014 02:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RetroSpin (Post 8537172)
You do seem to have the butt pointed more than I thought.

There is a video on youtube about maintaining the racquet plane. Basically, as you move through impact and across your body, you want the racquet to stay in the same plane. Long and short inconsistency is often a result of inconsistencies in the face angle at impact. Of course, if you go out and try to do that, the problem is you will want to lock your wrist, which creates other problems.

Are you sure you are seeing the ball at impact? For me, this is often the answer when I am hitting the ball poorly.

The real magic of keeping the plane the same is when you realize you can do this without locking your wrist. Instant racket speed+heavy spin+complete control.

FailBetter 07-05-2014 02:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RetroSpin (Post 8537172)
You do seem to have the butt pointed more than I thought.

There is a video on youtube about maintaining the racquet plane. Basically, as you move through impact and across your body, you want the racquet to stay in the same plane. Long and short inconsistency is often a result of inconsistencies in the face angle at impact. Of course, if you go out and try to do that, the problem is you will want to lock your wrist, which creates other problems.

Are you sure you are seeing the ball at impact? For me, this is often the answer when I am hitting the ball poorly.

Yes thats true I think. often I dont see the ball at impact. So its all about watching the ball?

Curiosity 07-05-2014 04:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FailBetter (Post 8531703)
I need some advice too my forehand. :confused:
..........
..my racket head seems to be open very often ..
..if i hit with less intensity most balls go high&long
BH is no problem but forehand is just no natural for me..
thanks for every tought/advice

You do use your off (left) arm. Good. You do routinely use upper body rotation. Good. You obviously have good hand-eye coordination. Your feet move. Also good.

So do yourself a favor. Remake the hitting-arm part of your forehand. It will take you a week or less to a useable version. Instead of muscling your racquet up all the way, just learn a modern swing.

You'll want to learn to take the racquet back with the racquet head high, the handle low.
You'll take the racquet down closed in the final motions of the backswing, prepping for forward motion by pulling your hitting upper arm back behind the front line of your chest. The racquet face will be closed through the entire swing. You'll do ESR, pull the racquet's butt cap out toward the ball, or even better, where you expect to contact the ball.

Adopt a forward swing that uses external shoulder rotation (upper arm bone rotation clockwise, when looking down at your arm, in the shoulder joint) (Abkürzung: ESR) (If the term isn't familiar see the poster-provided short video at post #337 in the thread "Had my first real tennis lesson" by Shroud. Learn what the term means. There just is no understanding without it.

If the coordination of the ESR start vis a vis upper body rotation isn't clear, briefly (laugh) see the Table Top Experiment in post #274 in that same thread.

For a familiar professional example, see that thread's #328 which has a link to 15 step-by-step images/photos. #328 has 15 comments, both straight and in terms of The Table Top bit. Or you can just read the Tennis Speed blog's detailed analysis.

If you actually look at the ESR (external shoulder rotation) short video at #337, read some of the detailed BS, look at the fifteen photos, then look at some slow-motion pro forehands of your choice (Want to keep a bent elbow? Djokovic. straight arm? Fed....the two forms both use ESR....and links to these both are at the bottom of post #274 of the "had my first real tennis lesson" thread).......figuring it out will take you a few evenings, then a few days on the tennis court. The stroke form is easier than what you are hitting now, and allows MUCH more variation and control of speed, topspin, height of ball you can handle. You'll quickly have a very flexible stable forehand that will last, feel natural, and make you happy.

People may tell you "ESR is only needed if you will do ISR ('internal shoulder rotation') later." Bull. ESR provides a chain of stretched muscles in the shoulder and arm that will STABILIZE your swing and hit, allow and produce better racquet lag at the start, even if you never think much of ISR into the hit. It is the stability that makes ESR essentially mandatory in the contemporary forehand for both men and women.

There. I'm done. Das Verfahren dieser Änderung ist wirklich viel einfacher, als Sie vielleicht erwarten.

RajS 07-05-2014 06:38 PM

@Curiosity: I have learnt a lot, reading your posts, thanks! ISR meant "Interrupt Service Routine" and ESR meant "Edge Service Router" to me until a few months ago... jargon from my work, of course, lol! Now I realize, reading various folks' great tips, that they are fundamental to tennis strokes.

Anyway, my question is this: does ESR in the forehand and two handed backhand happen due to racket inertia as it is pulled from the inside to the outside with the butt pointing to the ball, or is there an active component to it? Thanks in advance for your reply.

GoudX 07-05-2014 07:22 PM

You need to move your feet and bend your knees more to get your contact point more consistent. You should be swinging the upper body exactly the same for 70-90% of shots, and moving quickly and/or bending the knees to guard the contact point.

toly 07-05-2014 07:42 PM

About grip
 
This is from http://www.revolutionarytennis.com/handuse.html



“Is it possible to think Nadal's hands above are not squeezing the handle, that only his arms flex and his hands are not firm? Even when his pinkie finger shows stress? Is it possible to think this act is involuntary on his part? Neither sound minds nor experienced players would think so. Compare his left hand when calm and holding a trophy, most right.”

IMO player with semiwestern forehand should use firm grip.

JonC 07-05-2014 07:51 PM

Arm looks tight and you're not getting much backward rotation.
I'd think loose arm, getting more sideways, and "releasing" the racket after contact.


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