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flashestennis08 02-04-2006 08:00 AM

supplements?
 
do any of you take supplements with ur weight routines? before i played tennis i took ananvol for alittle while and saw a small jump in size and amount of possible reps. im considering starting it up again with my weight routines. just wondering if anybody else takes supplements with theirs on here and if so what do ya take?

oscar_2424 02-04-2006 11:06 AM

supplements or steroids?

Ronaldo 02-04-2006 03:02 PM

flash, any water retention or cramping? Ananvol is a creatine product?

oscar_2424 02-04-2006 08:54 PM

Thai anabol

has always been one of the most popular anabolic steroids available. Dianabol's popularity stems from it's almost immediate and very strong anabolic effects. 4-5 tablets a day is enough to give almost anybody dramatic results. It is usually stacked with deca durabolin and testosterone enanthate. Along with strong anabolic effects comes the usual androgen side effects, users often report an overall sense of well being. Dianabol is a strong anabolic and androgenic product. It most often produced dramatic gains in size and strength. Dianabol was also shown to increase endurance and glycogen retention. The down side is that this drug is responsible for a number of side effects. It is an alpha alkylated 17 compound, which is quite toxic to the liver. Average dosages for Dianabol have been in the range of 15mg to 30mg a day oral or 50mg to 100mg a week by injection. Regarded by many athletes as being one of the most effective oral steroids ever produced. It was not known as the "Breakfast of Champions" for nothing. Dianabol is still one of the most effective strength and size building oral steroids probably second only to Anadrol 50 but it is not as harsh on the system as Anadrol 50 is.

Effective Dose: 20 - 50mg/ day


I hope you didnt take this steroid too much

El Diablo 02-05-2006 03:33 AM

Toxic to the liver is hardly a complete list of downsides. Various cancers have been linked to steroid use.

chess9 02-05-2006 08:08 AM

El Diablo:

Yeah, and is there a reason so many body builders have "packages" the size of dessicated peas? My sex life is slow enough as it is. :)

No thank you. I can get strong enough just by lifting, eating right, and taking a bit of creatine. One of my buddies has gone that route (briefly) and he had acne really bad, was very angry all the time, blood pressure went up, but when he started getting breasts he stopped. Of course, his bench went up something like 100 pounds in 2 months....

-Robert
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NO2 VAPORIZER

Becker 02-05-2006 08:44 AM

LOL.

I'd like to keep my package, so I'm going to have to pass on steroids. Or I can go the Karatantcheva way (Did I spell it right? In any case, she's like 15 or 16) and blame it on getting pregnant.

Too bad I'm a man, I'll need a pretty good excuse to get the last one to work for me.

The only supplement I've taken is creatine, and not in large doses. I had an allergic reaction when I took a sort of large amount once. Didn't last long, but it was uncomfortable.

oscar_2424 02-05-2006 03:01 PM

the best and safest thing you can take is whey protein

legolas 02-09-2006 11:30 AM

stacker 2, lol

Freedom 02-09-2006 06:35 PM

Steroids...BOOOO! Be a man, earn it by hard work and SWEAT! Don't take a pill...

flashestennis08 02-19-2006 09:43 AM

im talkin just bout supplements, i wouldnt take steriods if my life depended on it, i didnt have any cramps, but then again i was drinking atleast 2 liters of water a day to avoid that, i hate cramps lol.

jackson vile 02-24-2006 10:47 AM

The creatine would be fine as long as you did not take as directed the reason I say this is because it will cause you to hold water when taken as directed.

I recomend that you take it in the middle of practice and at the end but with no "loading of the creatine" Simply watch your weight if it goes up in 2-3days you are taking too much and you will be slowed down.



As for AAS aka steroids there are no studies linking it to cancer of any sort, the fact of the matter is that satisticly multivitamines are more dangerous.

Are they toxic? Depends on how you take them, I've seen modles do on carot only diets and end up with jondus and negative effects on the whole body system and end up spending weeks in the hospital.

Also people can die from just simply drinking way too much water.

There are stupid people every where and that is what is toxic.

Women take hormones/steroids each and every day and everyone is fine with it, and we know what taking these factually (with unlimited studies to back it up) cause breast cancer, ovarie cancer, various blood vessel dissease that lead to heart atack and stroke ect. Some women take these drugs to get larger breast or to look yonger ect.


There are far far worse things in everyday life that people think are safe for them that are worse than stroids.








With that said steroids are not going to help anyone in tennis at all to any degree especially something such as Dianabol that is going to make you hold water and increase blood pressure to an extent that you will not be able to hang with your usual opponets on the court.





Tennis is not about strength it is about skill and technique, most of the men here can't even do what the pro women do, do why would you be woried about being extremely strong beyond what is naturally obtainable?

Midlife crisis 02-24-2006 11:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jackson vile
As for AAS aka steroids there are no studies linking it to cancer of any sort, the fact of the matter is that satisticly multivitamines are more dangerous.

You have got to be absolutely out of your mind or totally unknowledgeable.

http://www.drugabuse.gov/ResearchRep...s3.html#health

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/q...=pubmed_docsum

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/q...=pubmed_docsum

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/q...=pubmed_docsum

There are 113 more abstracts available using the keywords "anabolic", "steriod", and "cancer".

And even more consumer oriented sites like this:

http://www.teenbodybuilding.com/lemare1.htm

This advice is as bad as I have seen on this board.

jackson vile 02-24-2006 12:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Midlife crisis
You have got to be absolutely out of your mind or totally unknowledgeable.

#1http://www.drugabuse.gov/ResearchRep...s3.html#health

#2http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/q...=pubmed_docsum

#3http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/q...=pubmed_docsum

#4http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/q...=pubmed_docsum

There are 113 more abstracts available using the keywords "anabolic", "steriod", and "cancer".

And even more consumer oriented sites like this:

#5http://www.teenbodybuilding.com/lemare1.htm

This advice is as bad as I have seen on this board.



No reason to be rude.

I appreciate your attempt but you did not read your PubMed articles at all.

#1 BS no solid case studes to back up
#2 BS study, first "association with anabolic steriod therapy" They are not saying that the hormones are responsible for the liver cancer rather they think that it may have played a part, read the study right.

Further more "developed a hepatoma after 50 months of therapy with anabolic steroids is reported" Once again they are just going by his word, no facts at all, they don't know what drug or even the dose what a joke, and after 4 years of treatment with any "drug" theraputic or not you will have adversideffects end of story

#3 This is an old woman 35 years old and they had her taking 60mg for 3 years! We don't even know if she was taking any other hormones such as forms of estrogen from birth control, this is not conclusive

#4 Sad this is the same study as #2

#5 just some stupid kids site


Further more lets top this off that these are cases of the liver, liver is only possibly affected by 1 type of AAS and it has nothing to do with the hormone itself rather it is designed so that the liver can not break it down (alpha attachment) as waste otherwise it would not enter the blood stream, the liver is having to work harder. There are other drugs that have a simular configuration that are used everyday and are perscribed to the elderly every day.

Injectable hormones with out the special attachment do not affect the liver in any way such as testosterone which is exactly the same that we have running though our bodys.

And let me seal this right up and end it.

DAWN’s Detailed Emergency Department Tables for 2002


Drug Name — Number of Mentions (Rank out of Top 150 drugs)

Acetaminophen (Tylenol) — 28,720 (Ranked 8th)

Alcohol-in-combination — 207,395 (Ranked 1st)

Marijuana — 119,362 (Ranked 3rd)

Gamma Hydroxy Butyrate (GHB) — 3,327 (44th)

Aspirin — 7,494 (25th)

Fluoxetine (Prozac) — 5,770 (29th)

Alprazolam (Xanax) — 27,659 (9th)

Diphenhydramine (Benadryl) — 5,430 (32nd)

Ibuprofen (Advil) — 15,867 (14th)

Oxycodone (OxyContin) — 14,996 (15th)

Naproxen (Aleve) — 4,576 (35th)

Caffeine — 1,999 (59th)

Amoxicillin — 830 (89th)

Codeine — 1,237 (73rd)

Pseudoephedrine — 658 (A decongestant used in every cold/sinus formula around) (101st)

Hydrocodone — 2,420 (51st)

Celecoxib — 775 (93rd)

Morphine — 2,775 (48th)

Ephedrine — 1,033 (79th)

Warfarin — 647 (103rd)

Albuterol — 628 (105th)

Prednisone — 348 (137th)

Multivitamin with Minerals — 376 (131st)

Herbal Products — 415 (126th)

Metformin — 505 (116th)

Cocaine — 199,198 (2nd)

Heroin — 93,519 (4th)

Androgens/Anabolic Steroids — 319 (142nd)



Drugs are dangrous weather it is asprin, alcohol, pain killers, sleep drugs, good drugs that help with diabetics, drugs that enhance lipid profiles, ect ect

Do you remember Vioxx, we found various SSRI drugs that were fully safe and perscribe to children to kill people upon stoping usage, Ritalin is perscribe to children like candy, methanphetamine used to be part of diet pills and foods that you could buy at your local super market, coain used to be in coca-cola products, Heroin was once a cure all drink, accutane strongly perscribed was found to cause suicide.

jackson vile 02-24-2006 12:48 PM

Medication Dangers !!!

by Cynthia Foster, MD

This page is devoted to educating consumers on the most dangerous medications and medical procedures so that they may make informed decisions regarding their personal health care.

The following is a list of medications which have been considered so dangerous by the medical profession that they have either been withdrawn from the market, or their use is restricted to only certain types of patients, or they are allowed to be used, but all information about the drug is required to contain warnings of the severe side effects that may result. Even with strict labeling requirements, this has not been enough to prevent deaths and severe disability due to adverse reactions to these medications.

* Drugs that have been withdrawn from the market

* Vioxx, Duract, Phenylpropanolamine, Posicor, Seldane, Phen-Fen, Rezulin

* Drugs still on the market that are considered dangerous
o Accutane, Avastin, Calcium Channel Blockers, Celebrex, Cordarone, Crestor, Depakote, Erythromycin, Fortovase, Gabitril, Geodon, Halcion, Hismanal, Immune Globulin Intravenous (IGIV), Invirase, Lamictal, Lamisil, Lovanox, Mellaril, Novantrone, Permax, Phenergan, Prempro, Premphase, Premarin, Estrogen-Containing medications (Birth Control Pills, Hormone Replacement Therapy), Propulsid, Raptiva, Ritodrine, Serentil, Tasmar, Topamax, Trovan, Viagra, Viramune, Vioxx, Warfarin (Coumadin), Zyvox

* Medications that have been recalled

* Dangerous Medical Procedures:
o CAT scans and risk of cancer


Go to this site there is even more info and all references


http://www.startthehealing.com/warnings.html#jama


Let's worry about the real dangers, that is the problem in America we worry about all the wrong and small things while the big things do all the damage.


http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/q...arch&DB=pubmed

El Diablo 02-24-2006 01:48 PM

Yes, and a frying pan is also dangerous if used incorrectly (hitting someone on the head with it instead of using it to prepare dinner). Asserting the above to be dangerous drugs begs the question; nearly all surgical procedures have far higher morbidity and mortality rates than anything listed above, but we don't eliminate them because we know their life-saving and health-sparing benefits justify the risk. Nearly anything is risky if used incorrectly. Geodon and Mellaril appear above because correct use of them requires an EKG to assess QTc interval before prescribing. If one does that, they are quite safe. One could not use them, and spend the rest of one's life in a psychotic and perhaps suicidal state. Zyvox is a marvelous and safe antibiotic. One needs to know before prescribing it that there are certain meds that, if used in combination, could induce a serotonin syndrome. Simple enough. (In fact, even if that error is made, there are rarely any consequences.) One could go on about other drugs on this list. And the above post about drugs involved in ER visits refers to generally large overdoses, which can obviously lead to problems. Are you a nihilist, Jackson? Do you post this list in the hope that medically unsophisticated readers will refuse Zyvox, for example, if it is recommended to them as the drug of choice for a serious infection? Can you tell me ONE antibiotic that cannot at least rarely have serious side effects? Yet, antibiotics are considered the reason that worldwide life expectancy has increased enormously in the past half century. What's your point?

jackson vile 02-24-2006 04:49 PM

I find it funny that you seem so educated yet you appear to be illiterate or too lazy to read my posts. :mrgreen:


Read my post, my point is your point exactly smarty pants, anything can be demonized and AAS is no demon end of story.

And to your point the leading killer is not drugs rather the doctors that prescribe them and the corporations that push them.

No drugs are good, and no long term use of any drug is good and will have sever negative health effects whether it is “steroids!” or aspirin to SSRI’s ect

Midlife crisis 02-25-2006 11:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jackson vile
Drugs are dangrous weather it is asprin, alcohol, pain killers, sleep drugs, good drugs that help with diabetics, drugs that enhance lipid profiles, ect ect

To compare steriods to aspirin is like comparing apples to oranges. One is a controlled substance that is difficult to obtain, another is a commercially available product that children can scoop up from their parent's medicine cabinet. Its like saying a missle launcher is less deadly than a handgun because there are fewer deaths from a missle launcher per year, so its okay for people to easily obtain and use missle launchers.

My point and opinion, and you can call it a knee jerk reaction if you wish, is that it is irresponsible to post about steriods, minimizing their dangers by saying you could also die from drinking too much water.

El Diablo 03-20-2012 06:09 PM

Try to ignore J. Vile on the topic of aspirin (or most anything else). No fewer than three new studies published today in Lancet and Lancet Oncology (among the preeminent journals in the world) showing that daily aspirin use can prevent both the development and spread of cancers.

maggmaster 03-20-2012 06:37 PM

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